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hayer

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as you can see, I have a 90 gallon aquarium:))) and I need help deciding what to put in there! the fish currently in there are in my signature. it is not planted and has driftwood in it! please help!

I amm also deciding what else to add to my 46 gallon bowfront aquarium, besides 7 more cardinal tetras and 6 harlequin rasboras. can you guys help? thanks so much!*thumbsup2*twirlysmi
 

bassbonediva

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It feels like your 90gal maybe needs a couple of centerpiece fish...like a pair of German blue rams or gouramis. You might also be able to get away with adding a small school (say about 5 or so) congo tetras.

I have a 46gal bowfront as well (it's in the process of being torn down and put in storage, though, in favor of a 40gL that is better suited to my betta sorority). Have you checked AqAdvisor to make sure you won't be overstocked by adding the cardinals and the rasboras? I would say check that before doing anything else.

Here's my future stocking list for the 46gal when I have the money to do it (to give you an idea)...with this mix, I'll be at 100% stocking level:
2x altum angelfish
2x german blue rams
8x congo tetras
8x cardinal tetras
1x gypsy king tiger pleco

AqAdvisor - Paige
 

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I'd personally go with a group (like, 6) of discus or angels. Best centrepiece fish in my opinion, they're bold, entertaining and beautiful, but I'm not sure you'd have space for so many, perhaps a pair of either, 4 tops. Just don't keep them in odd numbers, or alone (they're sociable and benefit from having company). I agree with Newman about the rams being a bit small to catch attention, but also think that pearl gouramis would be too timid and would spend a good majority of time hiding as they often do. If you want gouramis, I'd go for moonlight gouramis. Blues or yellows would work fine, but I'd opt for something more unusual.
 

hayer

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i have checked aqadvisor and I am fine! i added a school of 6 black neons to the 46 yesterday and it looks great! how do you go about caring for discus? i heard you can't have carbon filters for them, is that true? thank you guys for the info, btw. it really helps!*thumbsups. btw again(lol), the 90 gallon tanmk dimensions are 31 in. tall+48 in. long+14 in. deep. just wanted to add that to see if it helped!
 

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misterking

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Discus aren't as hard to look after as everyone makes out, in fact they're easier than rams in my experience.

I suppose the first thing to check would be how suitable your water is, as typically discus like water that's neutral to slightly acid (6.5 has always worked for my discus) and quite soft, so do a pH test on some tap water and have a look, if you can't test the hardness of your water generally your local waterboard can tell you. My tap-water is dead-on 7, but the driftwood in my tank (plus some peat in the filter) kept the water around 6.5 and that lovely tannin-colour, which they appreciate being from the Rio Negro.

Apart from that, just keep up on water changes. I remember a while back on here someone posted their advice on keeping discus which went something like "water change, water change, water change. Here, now you're an expert discus keeper", which, surprisingly, is really true. One waterchange a week is sufficient to keep them healthy and happy. They don't like the light too bright, so cover from plants is always appreciated. Good filtration is a must to keep up water quality or they can be susceptible to hole-in-the-head, which, although easily treatable, is a sure sign that your water isn't good enough quality. Parameters should also be tested regularly and rectified where appropriate.

Discus are quite social fish, so more than one is IMO essential. However, as with angels, keep them in even numbers, as if pairs form and one's left out, it will be bullied almost relentlessly around breeding time.

Food-wise, frozen meat-based foods are best, there are special discus preparations about which my discus always went mad for, they also love frozen bloodworm and beefheart. I've also found discus aren't fussy, and will often eat the flakes you feed your other fish (although, it's not advisable to feed them just on this).

They're often also not as expensive as people think. Varieties which are relatively common such as red turquoise and blue diamond generally don't cost the earth. None of the discus I bought ever cost over £15 in British money.. around $25 I think.

If you have space, I say go for it, get a pair, they're fun, personable and extremely attractive fish and really not as hard to look after as people make out. I'd liken them to koi for the tropical tank.. clean water is a must for health and happiness.
 

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Actually, one thing I'll quickly add onto that - discus can be particularly prone to intestinal blockages (due to poor diet more often than not), and internal parasites. A sure sign of this is a lethargic fish with no appetite, and a "pitted" abdomen. Unless you know what it is early on, this is very hard to treat and something one should always take into consideration before buying discus and whilst chosing them in the shop.
 

hayer

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do you mean that the angels could eat the platies, serpaes, or black shirts*thumbsdow! and do you think the rainbows, black skirts, and serpaes will nip? on aqadvisor, it said if i add another black skirt, they would probably not nip.
 

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if it all fits then they shouldn't nip...but still watch out. the angels shouldn't eat those tetras, as they are larger. still the black ones might be in trouble. As long as you add the angels VERY young and as the last fish, you should be good :)
 

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it's just that I think he is way overstocked to have a 4 discus in there ...
Then just get a pair? Angels and discus aren't exactly dissimilar in size. I was just trying to suggest something a bit different than the usual you see suggested on here, I think it's a shame a lot of people stay away from certain fish due to feeling like they can't care for them from age-old rumours.
 

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do you mean that the angels could eat the platies, serpaes, or black shirts*thumbsdow! and do you think the rainbows, black skirts, and serpaes will nip? on aqadvisor, it said if i add another black skirt, they would probably not nip.
I think it's more pot luck with black skirts, I've had nippy shoals and then really peaceful shoals. Angels won't be able to eat tetras as large-bodied as black skirts or serpaes which are more or less the same size and shape, and certainly not platies.

I'd very much worry about angels' fins and the serpaes though. I've had angels with their fins ravaged by serpaes before I knew just how bad they were, I'd put them in the same league as tiger barbs from experience. Just imagine those beautiful fins being giant flags with "bite me" written across.

An interesting thought is festive cichlids if you can get your hands on them.. grow to about 4 or 5 inches, good bold centrepiece without being as aggressive as some cichlids, typically non-fussy. Could probably get a pair in there. Have you thought about kribensis maybe?
 

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I only know a wee bit about fish, from my adolescent years with tanks and my new experience over the past nine months, but it seems to me that it can't be quantified as aqadvisor does so mechanically (but I think there is a whole other thread about that). If I had a 90g similarly stocked, and didn't want to get rid of any of the tetras, I would be tempted to try four mid-sized angels anyway; but the idea of discus sounds wonderful. I love the look of festivum cichlids too - I would think if rams are too small for a centrepiece pair them kribs would be too.
And what's wrong with some pictus catfish or clown loaches if you are lucky enough to have a tank big enough for these beauties? Or would they eventually eat serpae?
 

hayer

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i got 2 angels(1 koi and 1 gold veil), a serpae(to replace a deceased friend:-(), a black skirt(to help distract:)), and a rainbow shark. they are all GORGEOUS!!!:):)