I have bit all of your heads off more than once, and im sorry. Im so bad at fish keeping i dont even deserve to have the title of fish keeper. Thyra was entirely right about her post that im a fish user which is why im not setting up my 10 gallon because i dont deserve to own fish and once again im sorry to all member here whom ive lashed out at, you wont see much of me anymore...
A formal appology to all Myfishtank members
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I don't think anyone really wants you to leave...but I think you should take other fish keepers tones as helpful and not hurtful or trying to put you down...
Don't get discouraged about your 10gal...have some fun with it...just know there are limitations with them and any fish...
HEADIN, what makes being 20 any better? I think it's better for people to get this at a younger age because they could be even worse/impossible to deal with at 20 and completely miss out in fun in their lives...
When I was younger and on a different fish forum I flew off the handle too many times and thinking about it, even tho they were wrong to say the things they did/act the way they did, I never should have acted that way either...if Fishman can just try to think the best of good people and notice that most are just trying to help[some are bad, but you can ignore them] and do his absolute best for the fish, I say there's no reason for him to leave...
Just my 2 cents tho and no one has to listen to me...
Don't get discouraged about your 10gal...have some fun with it...just know there are limitations with them and any fish...
HEADIN, what makes being 20 any better? I think it's better for people to get this at a younger age because they could be even worse/impossible to deal with at 20 and completely miss out in fun in their lives...
When I was younger and on a different fish forum I flew off the handle too many times and thinking about it, even tho they were wrong to say the things they did/act the way they did, I never should have acted that way either...if Fishman can just try to think the best of good people and notice that most are just trying to help[some are bad, but you can ignore them] and do his absolute best for the fish, I say there's no reason for him to leave...
Just my 2 cents tho and no one has to listen to me...
No one offers advice anymore except Ryanoh because of what ive done. Why be on a forum where no one talks to you anymore. I havent given up on my 10 gallon yet. But i dont see how im going to stock it when i have maybe 2 ppl helpin me here and im blocked from Fishlore and the other forums on the internet suck.
fishman, nobody is trying to be mean to you. Its simply frustrating when people don't take your advice, but everybody does it. If you feel like only 2 people are talking to you, you can PM me or whatever with questions.... i don't "not talk to people"
Fishkeeping takes ages to get the hang of.... i've been trying for 5 years and I still have a LOT to learn. Don't feel down!
Fishkeeping takes ages to get the hang of.... i've been trying for 5 years and I still have a LOT to learn. Don't feel down!
I saw my name mentioned on the other thread, and for the record I don't post much on your threads simply because we do end up in this exact same place time after time and I don't have the time to post the same things to you over and over.
Not only that, but I don't have experience with shell dwellers. I only offer advise where I'm equipped to do so.
I also don't post very often anymore full stop, because I really have too much on. If I feel there's a point being missed I'll post, and if I feel someone's in a dire emergency I'll try to help. But going round in this vicious cycle I just don't physically have time for.
I'm sorry if my lack of posting has upset you. I'll try to post where I can in response to your threads in the future but I really don't think there's much I can say.
Not only that, but I don't have experience with shell dwellers. I only offer advise where I'm equipped to do so.
I also don't post very often anymore full stop, because I really have too much on. If I feel there's a point being missed I'll post, and if I feel someone's in a dire emergency I'll try to help. But going round in this vicious cycle I just don't physically have time for.
I'm sorry if my lack of posting has upset you. I'll try to post where I can in response to your threads in the future but I really don't think there's much I can say.
Oh, and just to add to Val's point. I've been keeping fish for 12 years. Some types and set-ups I've had perfected and have learned about as much as I need to when it comes to setting this type up. But if I were to throw myself into, say, brackish tanks, larger cichlid tanks, strict biotopes or monster fish tanks, I'd be totally out of my depth, as I would be with very sensitive fish. My next set-up will be difficult because, along with it being the smallest tank I've ever dealt with, I'll be keeping a bunch of fish and inverts I've never had experience with. We all end up out of our depths at some point, even those of us with more experience and success.
Part of fishkeeping is learning to do things properly, one step at a time, and what personally frustrates me is you don't just step back and think "what did I do wrong, how can I improve it", you just give up and start again and throw yourself into new projects constantly. You've really done no "working your way up" like most of us do, you've made the same mistakes and not learned from them, and that's when it becomes very very hard for people to advise you.
Part of fishkeeping is learning to do things properly, one step at a time, and what personally frustrates me is you don't just step back and think "what did I do wrong, how can I improve it", you just give up and start again and throw yourself into new projects constantly. You've really done no "working your way up" like most of us do, you've made the same mistakes and not learned from them, and that's when it becomes very very hard for people to advise you.
Don't give up. Take a deep breath. Re-read some of the advice you have been given and hear it with an open mind. Know that people have been trying to help. I don't think anyone would want to chase you away!
Here's the thing I try to remember... Nothing good in this hobby happens quickly.
Patience is HARD sometimes, and I have done fish-in cycles, have tried to rush stocking, and I still tend to stock heavily. I have learned what I can handle and what I can't. I know that when I try to rush or bite off a little more than most would advise, I will be doing water changes obsessively, testing twice a day, etc.
I don't know a fishkeeper around who hasn't made mistakes. MANY of us have figured we could tackle something we were advised not to by those with more experience in that area.
So take a deep breath, and slow down a little bit. Understand that you could live in a phone booth but you don't want to. Apply that to your fish. There are so many cool fish and inverts out there that you can have a really decent set-up in a 10g that is interesting to you.
I bet that if you are listening to what people have to say that they will be more than happy to help you out. It does tend to turn people off when they are asked for advice, take the time and energy to share their experience and then are ignored.
Give it another shot.
Here's the thing I try to remember... Nothing good in this hobby happens quickly.
Patience is HARD sometimes, and I have done fish-in cycles, have tried to rush stocking, and I still tend to stock heavily. I have learned what I can handle and what I can't. I know that when I try to rush or bite off a little more than most would advise, I will be doing water changes obsessively, testing twice a day, etc.
I don't know a fishkeeper around who hasn't made mistakes. MANY of us have figured we could tackle something we were advised not to by those with more experience in that area.
So take a deep breath, and slow down a little bit. Understand that you could live in a phone booth but you don't want to. Apply that to your fish. There are so many cool fish and inverts out there that you can have a really decent set-up in a 10g that is interesting to you.
I bet that if you are listening to what people have to say that they will be more than happy to help you out. It does tend to turn people off when they are asked for advice, take the time and energy to share their experience and then are ignored.
Give it another shot.
Fishman, You say people don't give advice, but if you would look back at all your threads, you would find people give lots of advice; you just don't take advice at all. Did you ever hear someone say, "Your eyes are bigger than your stomach?" Well, I been thinking, "You plans are always bigger than your tank". You know you could probably find a 20 or 30 gallon tank for the price of 2 or 3 Shell Dwellers. First you need the proper tank, then the test kit and siphon and then - assuming you have funds left - you can figure out what fish will fit.
well i have been away at the saltwater forums a while and just decided to click on this thread...fishman from the posts i have read you do in fact have ppl willing to give you advice...it depends on you if you are willing to listen and take that advice and any criticsm if you choose not to. Smaller tanks take a lot more work and patience and they also are more limited with what you can do with them so be mindful of that. Remember to learn from others mistakes as well as your own...that is why we give advice lol. Also don't let people's post get to you personally...it is hard to type and emotion and you may read something one way when the person typing it means it another. If you have any questions feel free to ask me...If I don't know the answer I can at least help point you in the right direction....hope this helps and doesn't seem to momish lol
Man what a thread for PatBonner27 to stumble into, huh? Hey Fishman I don't know you and I am not familiar with any of your troubles but I do know that it is not easy to admit a fault or apologize. I think the fact that you returned here and have done so is a testiment to your character. I'm assuming that you are in your teens based on previous post in this thread. If so then you have learned an important lesson about self-reflection, one that is essential to being successful in all aspects of life and you have learned it sooner than alot of other people... sooner than I did. As a father I would tell my son not to give up, finish what you start and always take advice kindly from people trying to help. Please continue to post threads as people learn from, shall I say mistakes of others, only when we post them. Good luck my friend and in the words of Commadore Perry, "Don't give up the ship!"
