AAH STUPID diseases!

[fobbybobby]

i'm in a bit of a bad situation right now, it seems as though my zebra danios are picking up ich, and 1 of them is beginning to get fin rot, while my neon tetras are showing signs of mouth fungus

they're all in the same tank, a planted tank with some snails

now comes the question..how may i go about treating this?? i need to treat ick, the fin rot, and the mouth fungus all at once, but i need one that won't kill the plants or stain the aquarium silicone or kill any of my snails or anything

also, i just thought of another idea...is it ok if i net all of my fish (i only have danios and neon tetras), and then place them in a 10 gallon QT tank, and treat them from there, leaving my main display tank with no fish to be used as hosts, eventually causing all the little ugly ick parasites to die a terrible death in my display tank? or would the plants and snails be able to host the ick??

but then this still leaves the question, how do i go about treating all 3 parasites/diseases at once..aah any help would be appreciated im starting to kind of panic here and feeling kinda lost

 

[Purple]

There are meds that treat fin rot and fungus together, but the ich will have to be done seperately, and I would advise you treat the whole tank or you'll only have to do it all over again.

The finrot/fungus meds work in a day or so - the ich treatment is a 6 day minimum, and has to be done at a different time. I would try treating for finrot/fungus first, then rest a day from meds, then treat for ich. If you treat the ich first, the fish will have the other diseases to deal with for another week.

Make sure the meds you buy won't harm you filter bacteria (check the box), and either get the old meds out with carbon or water changes before you go onto the next lot.

To have all this stuff together suggests your water is in a bad way, so don't forget to take care of the cause as well as the cure. (I might be wrong about the state of your water - you're the only one who really knows).

Good luck - and post again if you get stuck

 

[fobbybobby]

thanks for the advice purple!

now i'm planning on getting the ich medicine, but since im going to treat the whole tank i need one that doesn't stain the seal or anything, well preferably, unless i have no choice

so i'm wondering, has anyone used aquari-sol? and what are your experiences with it..also does it stain the aquarium seal?? it doesn't specify on the box

also if you guys have a suggestion for better ich medicine, then please do tell me!

oh yea..and one more, is it ok if i take out the snails for the ich treatment?? or will they still be possible hosts for the ich and might as well leave them in the tank when i treat for ich, possibly killing them, but ridding the tank of ich

thaanks

 

[Leopardess]

Hm...


Do you know what your ammonia/nitrite/nitrate levels are at? Water temp, pH etc?

Also, you're in quite the predicament! Those are NOT the combination of diseases to have! Treating ich uses warmer temperatures, treating fungus uses cooler temperatures.

A bit of salt might help ward off both disease since neither fungus nor ich likes it very much.

I believe that the fungus/rot meds will take longer than a day or two - usually for me its about a week....depending on the severity. Mouth fungus can be VERY hard to get rid of, unfortunately.

This is a toughie.

You might want to try medicating both at the same time (yes, its bad to have a lot of meds in the water at once, but I don't see many other options)... or, you could do what purple said, treat the fungus/rot for a day or two and then try treating with an ich med.

Or, slightly more risky but it could be a first alternative...

Treat the ich/fish with ich in the main tank since that is where the parasites are and then move the fungus-y fish who do not yet show signs of ich to the hospital tank and treat them for their fungus. Maybe you'll get lucky and they won't have developed ich - since not everyfish that is confronted with an outbreak will be susceptible. It might be worth a shot.

As for the snails - I'm not sure if ich can live on them...I don't think they can as I've never seen a documented ich outbreak on a snail - but they could probably have some of the ich ON them...perhaps you could stick them in a small container while you treat (most ich-killing meds are bad for inverts/snails/small/scaleless fish)?

They could just go in a bowl for a bit w/ little water changes since they aren't too picky. After a couple of weeks the ich should have starved and died...


here's a quick link to the "mouth" fungus:
http://www.aquamaniacs.net/flex.html

it gives both scientific names so if you want to search for more info, run a google search on them.

Wish I could help more. Good luck!!!

 

[fobbybobby]

dfalkfsjk confusion!!

upon closer reading and researching about ich, most all sources say they look like raised white spots, resembling salt grains

my zebra danios that i thought had ich doesn't have that, its more like greyish little spots that aren't raised, but 1 of the danios is or was rubbing itself against the tank glass and plants and that same one has fin rot...

so is it still ich?? or is it something else..becuase i don't want to treat for ich then find out that it isn't and then it'd just be a big jumble of chaos

 

[mariners]

when my fish had ich it didn't look raised to me, when you say grey are they definitely grey or just not perfect white?

 

[fobbybobby]

yea its ich for sure im starting treatments...

my test kit is still in the mail...sloooow shipping dang it

so i can't provide any water parameters, but i think the interesting thing is all of my fish were fine, well except for that 1 neon tetra that i was freaking out over (which turned out to be nothing really) but after i hooked my diy co2 up to my tank, the day or two after all this stuff popped up on the fish..maybe co2 cuased Ph fluctation stressing the fish and make them susceptible to these ugly disease and parasites

 

[fobbybobby]

ah...ok im really bad at diagnosing fish dang it!!!

i recently did a search on the forums for the mouth fungus my tetras were having...and then i came up witha picture of a rainbow shark that had the same thing that my danios have..which i previously thought was ich..but it turns out its not...so i am nutty and used aquari-sol for no reason

apparently its seems to be a mild flexibacteria columnaris stuff so far...same stuff that my neon tetras have on their mouth (looks like they have white goatees or something)

link to the pictures of the rainbow shark that has same thing my danios do

should i treat my whole tank with the anti-bacterial medicine, like mardel's maracyn?? or move the fish to the hospital tank and treat them there..keep in mind that i'm just going to treat all 10 of my fish and that i have a 50 gallon tank

 

[Lotus]

I would suggest you use a medicine that works on both fungal and bacterial infections. There are several available. It is often hard to tell which are fungal and which are bacterial infections, so it is easier to treat for both.

If few enough of your fish are infected, I would medicate them in the 10g. If it would be very overcrowded in there, and you have a lot of infected fish, treat in your 50g tank.

There are some good pictures of diseases here: http://www.2cah.com/pandora/Disease.html