African Chiclids from WalMart

Jul 22, 2006
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WalMart sells beautiful African Chiclids. I do not know what group of family, but they grow up to between 4" and 6". They are amazing and I enjoy watching them. The details at the store says they are aggressive, therefore need plenty of hiding spaces. Can someone tell me more about these African Chiclids? They are in wide assorted of colors (they looks like saltwater fishies too) and I just love them. I just do not know the exact kind of African Chiclids. Will they do well with my Striped Raphaels? Will they do well with Tiger Barbs, Platies, and Dwarf Gouramis? If not, then I can wait for the Tiger Barbs, Platies, and Dwarf Gouramis to die, if they ever die. Most important thing, can the African Chiclids be okay with my Striped Raphaels?

I fed them (editted - the fishies at the store), including all of the other fishies, and they all were seriously starving!

Thunder
 

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CAPSLOCK

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The ones Walmart and most other places sell as "Assorted Cichlids" are mbuna. They are NOT community fish, as they are just so much more aggressive and territorial. They need to be in a tank with only other mbuna, or with synodontis catfish or big, tough plecos. I'm not sure if raphaels are tough enough for mbuna, but I doubt it... raphaels only get to 3ish inches long, right?
 

Jul 22, 2006
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Raphaels can get up to 6-8" in length.

Oh, I saw those Ciclids and I wanted them badly. All of them was so beautiful. I read that they were aggressive, but I was unsure how aggressive they are. I also know that some aggressive fishies are quite peaceful, depending on their personality. Its hard to study the fishies for a few short minutes at the store before buying.

So, as you said, they can only be in the tank of their own kind. How many?

Thunder
 

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That I'm not sure of, you'll have to wait for one of the cichlid people :p. You want to research them if you're serious about getting them once you've gotten rid of the other fish. They have different requirements from community fish- they'll dig up plants, they need a veggie based diet, etc.
 

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If you want those fish then you need to get another tank! For the reason that Caps said and also like me and MM told you last night your tank is already over stocked.

Edit: It depends on their size and the tank size.
 

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Jul 22, 2006
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I've been wanting the 55G for my bedroom. The 29G is in the living room. I'm not thinking very clearly and always changing my mind on everything. Now, someone said the Cichlids love to move rocks and plants, well in that case, forget about the Cichlids. I hate putting my hands into the tank and disturb everything up and add stress to the fishies.

Thunder


Edit - Hmmmm.... These specific cichlids only get up to 4-6"... Maybe rocks that are complicately large and heavy enough?
 

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Usually, mbuna cichlid tanks have no plants or driftwood, they have a sand bottom and a big pile of rocks to make territories and break up line of sight. A 55g is a good size for them, I know the quesiton of how many in a 55g has been asked before and I think the answer was 14-16, but I'm not positive. You can do a search on here to find out, though.
 

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You can also check out some of the "rate my tank" pics, I know that some lovely 55g cichlid tanks have been posted. They'll give you an idea of what they can look like in a real tank, as opposed to the Walmart tanks.
 

JNevaril

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:) just like that has been said before me...

Cichlids are mean little buggers......mine will come after me each time i stick my hand in the tank, and will annihilate anything else that comes into the tank.

You'd need no smaller than a 29 gal for one of the smaller cichlids....they get large...some of them can get REALLY large.

Also, to echo what has been said before....the cichlids at Wal-mart are really just mutts. They're just 'assorted', and you're really not getting any one specific species....just something random.

ooh----i feel like i'm repeating myself......no plants...! rocks, rocks, and more rocks....caves...

so, yeah....before you jump into cichlids, do your research...there's a lot more to learn. ;)
 

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Yeah, they were tempting to get, but I am going to stay away from them. I do not want them attacking me when I put my hands in the water.

Thunder
 

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I purchased some cichlids from wal mart (once... a long time ago...) and vowed never to do it again. I can't even go there to see the fish or I get all pissed off. Nevermind that there isn't anyone there to help you but there are always dead fish just floating around. ****GRRRRRR***


Anyways, to answer your question, they are malawi cichlids (or mabuna, whichever) and they are VERY AGGRESSIVE AND TERRITORIAL. I would only recommend other cichlids in the tank with them, and from the same region. South American and Malawi Cichlids don't go. I put in 2 jack dempsy's and 2 lombardois and the jack's died within a week.

Also, Cichlids need lots of space to hide and caves to mark as "their territory". I have a 70 gal Cichlid tank That is pretty much covered in rocks. Except for some space at the top so they can swim around.

I feel that cichlids are great fish to get into the hobby of keeping because they provide hours of enjoyment and speculation. My husband and I will just sit and watch them be aggressive with each other, change colors, and do quirky little things.

I recently just added 2 ceramic pots in my tank and the fish that have claimed them make me laugh. They spend hours taking out all the gravel that may have gone in and chase any fish that goes near it. They even leave the pots and hide behind a rock to see if any fish try to go in.

Anyways thats my 2 cents :)
 

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Milo, how many are there in the tank? When you see them being aggressive, is it deadly? Do they become aggressive with each other constantly? Do they stay in one area of the tank only? Do they occassionaly swim by each other? What happens during feeding? Have the aggression lessen throughout the months?

These cichlids look very much like a saltwater fishies, but sadly to be aggressive. Its very hard to find a fish to be beautiful as saltwater and be peaceful.

Oh, another thing, do they go after your hand and arm when you work in the tank?

Yeah, they do need a large tank. Anyone know how many years these cichlids are bred by people? Just wondering why aggressions are still with these fishies, since they are all raised with alot of each other in a tank. These fishies should know that by being territorial will limit their swimming spaces. I guess they would rather stay in their own spaces and not share to swim around the giant tank. ~sighs~ I wish they would learn.

Thunder
 

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Milo

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Hi Thunder,

I have lost 1 fish since i set up the tank in march. (oh wait no... 3 including the jack dempsys)
I currently have a assortment of African Cichlids I believe there are 15 cichlids, with 1 red tail shark and 1 armor back pleco (if you go the route of cichlids, buy a full grown pleco or you will lose it. (make that 4 fish) Never even found his body or remains. I have not seen my cichlids be deadly even though I have lost some fish. They are at the age now where they are starting to be more aggressive and territerial with the other fish, A few times I have seen them lock lips (very common with cichlids, they will lock lips and fight untill one pretty much dies) They are just basically trying to be the "bigger" fish. Cichlids do not stay in one area of the tank, they are all over pretty much. Not sure what you mean by do they swim by each other? Feeding all the fish pretty much go to the top to eat with each other. As a treat I will put is some Mysis shrimp and they go nuts! I would say that the aggression has gotten worse due to them just getting older and more mature. They actually know now that they wan't that part of the rock and that no one is to take it.

I have never had a fish go to my arm while i am cleaning the tank. but even if they do, i don't think it is painful. My father-in-law has a South American Tank and when he goes to clean the tank the big fish go and nibble on his arm, but he's told me that its really just little pinches.

Don't get discouraged by cichlids, they are (what I feel) are the best fresh water fish to have. (hope that didn't offend anyone)

Once a cichlid tank has set a hierarchy of the big fish to the little fish, they will become calm animals, that is untill a smaller fish wishes to "challenge" the bigger fish.

Hope this helps all your questions. If you are really concidering cichlids i would definitly read up on them and do your research on the actual breed of cichlids. Some can be quite calm while other much more agressive.

As a final note, I placed a demasoni in my tank about a month and a half ago to 2 months ago, and in no way should this guy of survived due to his size and that the tank had already been running for quite some time, but due to his speed and general temperment, he (i think) is doing fine and even plays with the big boys.
 

kay-bee19

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THUNDER said:
When you see them being aggressive, is it deadly? Do they become aggressive with each other constantly?
Depends largely on the particular set up (quantity of cichlids, tank size, aquascape, etc), species and even personality of each fish. Some species by default are more aggressive than others (auratus for example are very aggressive, while acei are mostly peaceful).

Knowing the aggressive potential of the species may help moderate the aggression in the tank. Some are highly conspecific aggressive (meaning they may tolerate other species but are aggressive to their own kind...example, pseudotropheus demasoni).

Adequate numbers also help out. A 55-gal with 4 various mbuna will probably be a more aggressive tank than a 55-gal with 12 mbuna.

With the right species and quantity, aggression can be balanced. Incorrect set ups, however, can result in killing sprees.

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do they go after your hand and arm when you work in the tank?
They may nip mostly out of curiousity and to see if the hairs on your arms (or even the skin itself) are edible. In the wild the food they eat isn't very nutritous. To counter that, they constantly graze and sand sift (and in my opinion, are instinctively programmed to be perpetually hungry). I've never had an african cichlid nip as an act of malice.

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Just wondering why aggressions are still with these fishies, since they are all raised with alot of each other in a tank. These fishies should know that by being territorial will limit their swimming spaces. I guess they would rather stay in their own spaces and not share to swim around the giant tank. ~sighs~ I wish they would learn.
A hyper-dominant mbuna can claim an entire tank (it will venture anywhere in the tank at will, while the other occupants are hiding in one of the top corners of the tank). That's a worse case scenario. I had one socolofi claim 25% of a 125-gal tank as its exclusive terriotory, while my dominant socolofi preferred (and defended) a cave with the volume of a grape fruit. Size of territory depends on the ambitions of the particular fish and rivals.

The aggressive nature of mbuna is based on their instincts which were shaped from their originating environment (Lake Malawi). A good portion of what they eat comes from algae growing on rocks and the invertebrates which may be found among the algae. Rocks provide a source of food, haven and breeding grounds. Aggressive behavior is a survival tool in the wild. Other types of cichlids from the same lake (haps and peacocks) are more open water fish and are less territorial than mbuna.

Many mbuna are still collected from the lake (though wild caughts cost more than tank bred fish).

THUNDER said:
These cichlids look very much like a saltwater fishies, but sadly to be aggressive. Its very hard to find a fish to be beautiful as saltwater and be peaceful.
Some techniques to minimize aggression include: adding the more peaceful species first and the aggressive ones later (and always add them in groups, a single new fish may be viewed as an intruder by the entire tank); and having more females than males per species (1 male per 3 females). This takes knowing precisely what species you are getting (avoid hybrids).

One of my zebra (semi-aggressive in my tank):
 

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FreddyJ

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Wow, Kay, what a beautiful zebra....

Thunder-- I got into cichlids on accident (attracted to the color, of course, such a vain little creature I am!) When you say aggressive just understand, as many people have pointed out, that there are varying degrees of aggressiveness. My Yellow labidochromis cichlids are actually quite peaceful....check out liveaquaria.com and they have "ratings" on the level of aggressiveness. I have luckily had no bloodshed. Proper stocking and setup (lots and lots of caves, broken lines of sight, etc) can prevent unnecessary aggression. Cichlids have great personalities and many many interesting behaviors that well make it worth setting up a cichlid tank. A male cichlid courting a female is really interesting to see. Lots of dancing and displaying.

By the way--I got three of my four yellow cichlids from Walmart and they are doing just fine. I guess one of the downsides is that you really have to pick a good looking specemin and sometimes you have to wait many weeks to find a fish that isn't so inbred/crossbred in appearance that it is impossible to identify. With the right diet even the sad looking ones can color up nicely.