Betta on his Nose

FishQueen

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I've seen posts about people who are worried about their bettas because they are vertical, with their heads down and tails up... well, Merlyn's doing it know... I KNOW he has Ich, and a bad case at that... but does this hurt him? Should I move the rock so that he can't prop himself up like that? He's leaning like that against the side of the tank and the rock... sometimes he doesn't move for a half hour and it's only when I persuade him out by giving him food... oh, and my female isn't eating... she's darting around the tank or just sitting at the top... usually sitting... every once in a while she'll get light fear stripes from the ich. Agh! This is all worrying me a whole lot... However, she has very fews spots while Merlyn is completly COVERED in them... just an update... :( *SICK*
 

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HELP!! ICK!!!
A few days ago I noticed that my female betta, Tovi, had little white dots on her. I figured it was fungus and put Jungle FUngus Clear in the tank cuz when she was at the store, she was in the same tank with a platy with an awful case of fungus. The spots went away after the first day of her treatment... but yesterday Merlyn had the same spots, but more! I put more Fungus Clear in the tank but they haven't gone away... I did some research on it and discovered they have ick! The only reason Tovi's spots went away was cuz they moved on to the next stage and infected Merlyn! AGH! I put some Hex-a-mit in the tank cuz it says it cures white dots... anything else I should do? Should I raise the temp? It's at 79 degrees Fahrenheit. Both of them are still eating like pigs, swimming around, etc.



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04-14-2003 10:01 AM

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I'm no expert but I'd just do what the instructions tell you to on the meds for white spot you are using.
I've heard that you can raise the temp a bit but to be honest I.m not sure how high.
If the fish look heatlthy I reckon they'll be fine.

Good luck.



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04-14-2003 01:22 PM

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See the thread I started recently (4/11 I think) on the beginners forum.

I had ich in my 55 gallon community tank but now seem to have it under control.

Raised the water temp to 82 degrees (to speed up parasite lifecycle) and have been adding Rid-Ich in half doses twice a day (rather than a whole dose once a day). Decided not to add salt because I was worried about the plants, although several people have siad that they would be fine at low salt concentrations. I have been doing 20% water changes every other day since I started the treatment.

Bottom line - all the while spots have disappeared in about 3 days and I'm now continuing treatment for a week to make sure the Rid-Ich has a chance to work on the "swimming" stage of the parasite.

No apparent adverse affect on fish, ghost shrimp or plants.

Hope this helps,

Roger

PS I got the Rid-Ich at PetSmart. For my 55 gallon tank I needed the big bottle.


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04-14-2003 03:19 PM

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thanx... the female is a lot worse!! Her fins are clamped really badly and she just sits at the surface... she has a few white dots on her and her breathing seems somewhat labored. The male has who knows how many dots all over him but he's still acting normal... I put in a second dose of hexamit even though it says to use it every other day cuz they are looking so bad... hope that's okay... i don't have any plants or anything to worry about but I don't have salt either sooooo that doesn't help much...the temp is at 83 degrees right now... aaaaagh i'm not sure the female is gonna live!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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04-14-2003 04:44 PM

RogerL
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Good luck with everything.

I'm not familiar with Hexamit, but be very careful with overdosing any medication. It's definitely best to stick to the manufacturer's instructions. If the fish show any strange symptoms after the second dose do a water change to dilute it out.

What else is in the tank? You need to be especially careful with some tetras and cats.

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04-14-2003 05:53 PM

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they are alone... they aren't showing any other bad signs... they just kinda sit there with clamped fins... Merlyn hides in the cave and Tovi just sits at the top of the tank...



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04-14-2003 08:23 PM

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Since the fish are alone I think you can use Seachem's CUPRAMINE (or Mardel's Coopersafe. I have heard that Cupramine is better) in combination with Maracyn Two to avoid secondary infections. If you do have fungus then you can also use Maroxy up to 5 times before a water change. These three medicines are compatible and if used in the right dosis, they don't stressed the fish.

You need to act fast with Ick.

Once you get rid of it, use Tropical Immune Plus which prevents Ick. I have used it for two years in all my tanks and I haven't had ick since.

Keep us posted.
Good luck.



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04-14-2003 10:29 PM

RogerL
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RC - is Tropical Immune Plus easily available? I don't recall having seen it around (but I haven't exactly been looking for it either!).


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04-14-2003 10:59 PM

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Immune Plus
RogerL, I buy the Tropical Immune plus at two online shops:
1. www.petsolutions.com
2. www.thatfishplace.com

Costs approximately $ 11.50 and lasts a long time because small quantity is added at a time. The delivery takes 3 days in my area (Northern VA).

I don't see it in stores.





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04-14-2003 11:18 PM

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Roger's advice is solid but also take charcoal out of filter and remove non scaled fish, such as plecos.

I did the Ick medicine, 81 degrees, water changes before each treatment, no charcoal in filter, pleco removed for the time being (thank god for having two tanks) and the ick was gone in 3-4 days.

Changed water, added charcoal and a day or two later, added pleco back into the tank. HOpe that helps as well.


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04-15-2003 01:11 AM

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Thanks RC - I'll pick some up and give it a go. Prevention is definitely better than cure!

Roger


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thanx... I'm still hoping my female, Tovi will make it... she's in some pretty bad shape... not many spots, but flashing, darting, scratching, etc... just gotta hope...
 

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yeah, well at least I was smart enough to start treating them immediately after I realized they had Ick... I heard about how awful it can be... and fortunately I had medicine on hand to treat them... Tovi is still alive and I did a water change and started the second round of treatment... still hoping she'll make it.
 

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You certainly were quick to treat them.......if you hadn't already had the meds to hand it would be a worse situation.

Good for you Fishqueen.

How's Tovi looking?

I just noticed a few white spots on one of my female guppies so have given the tank its first dose of meds.

It helps to have a good stock of meds before hand.
 

FishQueen

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yup... she's a little better... no spots but still darting, etc. She nibbled some food but then spat it out this morning... she's swimming a lot more, but that may be due to the fact that I moved her to the other side of the divided tank (where Merlyn was) cuz there is better filtration and aeration over there... the filter is on that side... but then I moved her back to the other side because she still had fear stripes after and hour... sooo she's still about the same, hopefully improving...
 

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Originally posted by tramca
With all due respect sin I believe this site is where you come for advice....so of course she would be sat in front of it waiting for some help.
She did not ask for any advice and she did not mention anything about treatment that she was doing. But as it appears my initial assumption that I stated was correct. so what is the problem?
 

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alright, settle down both of u.... I really don't care about who's right about what sinasster said or not. Yes, I AM treating them. I'm on the second round of Hex-a-Mit which says it treats white dots AKA ich. Sinasster did ask a ligitamite question unless he read my other post about ich. And thank you tramca for updating sinasster by posting that thread here... Tovi has stopped darting but is just sitting at the top of the tank... still not eating and no spots.
 

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First off.......thanx for the update FishQueen. Maybe Tovi is on the mend.

Second........to sinasster....I apologise for my abruptness.....it's just that recently at MFT I.ve noticed lots of bitchiness and bluntness.

People tend to come here for advice are told rather blunty " that Bala shouldn't be in that tank....." OK.....it might sound like nice advice to the giver....but to the receiver it can sound pushy and like makes them feel stupid.

I'm sure most people buy their fish from lfs thinking the guy who sold them the fish is wise on the subject. But not always so.....Ive tried 4 fish stores and recieved different advice from all.

Anyhow....the new aquarist then comes across this greta website only to be told....that fish will grow too big....your tank is too small! etc etc.

A lot opinions here and rightfully so....everyone has different experiences to tell....what works for one may not work for another.

But the advice should be given in a nice manner please.

I was wrong to jump in like I did over what you said to fishqueen sinasster, just because I had read her other thread didn't mean you had.
But I felt that what else would she be doing but sitting in front of the computer waiting for advice thats what the site is here for.

Right....I've just finished nights here and need some sleep.

Again....sorry and I hope everyones fish are alive and well.
 

FishQueen

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yeah... I know how that is with "get a bigger tank"... another fish site just keeps telling me that everything that happens to my fish is cuz I have such a small tank (5 gallon) but what was in it was one betta! For a few days two, but now one small female betta... they blamed ick on unstable water conditions from such a small tank even though when I bought her I noticed a white spot on her back... it didn't spread or anything while I quarantined her and didn't do anything for a few days while she was in the 5 gallon either... I assumed it was a discolored scale... but it's gone now. Soooo... yeah I have noticed a lot of stuff going on around here where people aren't being so nice... I haven't really heard from any of the extremely helpful people in a while... I wonder why (sarcastically) lol anyway.... Tovi is still the same. Sitting by the heater not really moving except to take a gulp of air... and won't eat.
 

FishQueen

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I noticed some spots on her... one on her eye, a couple on her mouth and some on her fins... she's nibbling at the food again and swimming around more. Still hoping...