Might have to come to you for advice when I build my sump and tubing Wayne, if you don't mind. For a start, I'm still struggling to picture how my powerheads which don't appear as if they would not fit onto pvc tubing will pump water through the pvc? Also, I'm gonna use Ferrero Rochae boxes for an HOB overflow but can't picture how these are gonna be suspended outside the tank, or even if they could be lowered to the sump level which would be preferable. I think I read something about them having to be at the water level. Not sure. Anyway, help might be needed *crazysmil