Biorb Ceramic Media Injured My Fishes?

Nov 5, 2008
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Was wondering if anyone can help? Have had my 60ltr biorb for a few months now with a few fantails. Everything been great so far, but recently started to feed frozen food (defrosted first). The fish seem to be feeding from the rough ceramic media at the bottom, finishing the last bits of bloodworm etc. Have now noticed that a couple of them seem to have hurt their mouths. When they come to surface to feed, they take the food then seem to have their mouths stuck shut for a while, struggling to open them again. They don't look happy when this happens!

Have stopped feeding sinking food just in case.

Can anyone offer any advice, am still a novice!
 

Orion

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If you can see that the gravel or whatever it is on the bottom of the tank is causing injury to the fish, then you should change to something that has a smother edge that the fish won't hurt themselves on. It's normal for just about all types of fish to sift though the substrate looking for bits of food though out the day.

I've noticed that a lot of fish I've seen will seem to have a 'locked jaw' I guess you could call it, if they get a mouth full of food and try to shove it down. I don't think this is something wrong with this, just a matter of them biting of more than they can chew. To me it looks like they might be trying to open their mouths while going though this until they get enough food down. I think this is more of a natural thing, where so long as the fish can keep it's mouth shut until it swallows the food, then it's unlikely that another fish is going to come along and steal it. It's funny to watch, and it does happen.

So unless you actually see any wounds on any of the fish's mouths, I don't think you've got a whole lot to worry about from reading your post.

Also, isn't the biorb the round tank? This typically isn't good for any type of goldfish as they need as much oxygen in the water as they can, and the limited surface area these tanks offer isn't much compared to just a standard tank even.
 

jo3olous

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Orion answered your question very accurately, but how many fantails is a few? You may have more problems on your hands than just the one you mentioned. If the fantails are babies then it might not be so bad now, but later... will explain when you give more details about the # of fish, etc.
 

Nov 5, 2008
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Many thanks Orion, I'll keep watching them just in case for any injuries etc! Hate to think they might be suffering at all! We can't change the media as it is designed to work with the filter, it is like volcanic rock and very sharp and spiky.

I checked with my local Fishy Specialist shop and they assured me that the Biob is well oxygenated due to the filtration and air pump system as long as you don't overstock.

Thanks for your helpful assistance!
 

Nov 5, 2008
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Hi jo3olous, I have 3 fantails, 1 black moor and a blue oranda. All of them are about an inch and a half long, very small. My local store, which has a good reputation assured me they were fine together. My biob is about 15 us gallons I believe.
 

jo3olous

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Hi jo3olous, I have 3 fantails, 1 black moor and a blue oranda. All of them are about an inch and a half long, very small. My local store, which has a good reputation assured me they were fine together. My biob is about 15 us gallons I believe.
So is that 5 fish in total? Don't want to offend you, but it sounds like your store either has a very oldfashioned way of housing fish, or they just wanted your money.

A General rule of thumb is 1 goldfish for every 10G of water, I believe 15 is optimal for the first, then 10G more for each additional fish. Keep in mind things look okay now, because they are only 1.5inches in length, but goldfish grow rather large as adults anywhere from 10-16 inches. These buggers also have a big bioload (they eat and poo a lot) which is why the tank space is so necessary. It would be stressful for a fish to be swimming in its own waste, no?

Even if you have 3 fish, they will quickly outgrow that tank. It's an either or really. Your fish can manage to outgrow the tank or they will die prematurely of stress.

My recommendation: Research on your own next time before making a purchase, fish stores generally lack proper knowledge, or they will say anything to get your money. Return the goldfish or trade them in for fish that will not grow so large and do not require so much space. Or last, keep them and take good care, so that you can prepare for a larger tank in the future. The 1st suggestion should be done always, either solution for your current problem is optimal.

You can keep the fish as is too, but that might not be the healthiest option for your fish. Welcome to the tank, you came to the right place. There are many others who can also give you great advice. *GOLDFISH*


***Just wanted to note the bio-orb. I heard it was an amazing unit for housing fish, and the filtration was excellent along with the oxygenation. But they are so darn small and so expensive! :( ***
 

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Nov 5, 2008
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Thankyou soo much for what sounds like very sound advice!!!

Will keep close eye on things and probably plan larger tank for future.

Can't believe how much these little critters take over!!! Can't stop watching them etc!

Am very grateful!