Bully Boy - The Full Story!

#1
As I've mentioned on a few forums, the sad truth is that we only have two LFS on our island out here in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Most tropical fish are imported from Taiwan, the Philippines or Singapore...and as a former pet store manager, and aquarium design and maintenance biz owner, I know that a lot of hanky panky goes on in those places...hormones, etc.

Anyway, this LFS had several tanks labeled as "Cichlids". Yep...that was it...no scientific names...not even English names. Being as I only have a four-foot tank which holds 45 gallons of water when empty, I was thinking about getting half a dozen of something simple and hardy, like Zebra Convicts. Then I saw this one "Cichlids" tank on the end of one row which had these pretty blue striped nameless cichlids in it.

I questioned two employees about them, and they were both clueless, but they said that the owner would know when she arrived shortly, being as she made the fish orders.

Of course, while I waited for the owner to arrive, I pointed out to one of the employees that they really needed to provide more info regarding the fish that they sell. I told him that inexperienced aquarists might not mind a tank labeled as "Cichlids", but for someone like me, a serious aquarist who has been in and out of the hobby for some forty years, their approach was very unprofessional, and didn't encourage confidence.

Well, things got worse.

The owner arrived. I had suggested to one of the employees that all the owner had to do was look at her invoice for the previous shipment in order to determine the identity of the fish in which I was interested. I waited a while and then approached the owner who was busy looking at a book.

Are you ready for this one?

I asked her about the fish in question. She pointed to a picture in the book and said that the fish in the end tank were Protomelas Spilonotus Tanzania, and that they would develop the yellow belly as they matured.

Oh yes...I can hear you letting out a gasp of disbelief way over here! :)

I was equally clueless regarding the identity of the fish, as I found four possible species in the two books that I had carried with me to the store. Yes, I do that! :)

Anyway, I accepted what she said at face value...that is, until I began inquiring online. GULP!

I've had these fish for two months now, they've grown considerably, and it is quite obvious that they are NOT Protomelas Spilonotus Tanzania, and don't even have the body shape of Protomelas Spilonotus Tanzania, but are in fact like little torpedoes...just like M. Johanni and M. Cyaneorhabdos.

So at $5 each, I've got five fish that may possibly be M. Johanni/M. Cyaneorhabdos hybrids, or maybe M. Johanni/M. Auratus hybrids, or who-knows-what.

That's the story in a nutshell of how I came to acquire Bully Boy and his four tank mates.

BTW, this is NOT the store where I worked almost 20 years ago. I worked at the other one, and we used English and/or scientific names. I strongly believed in educating the patrons of our business regarding the care of their fish.
 

robinanne

Medium Fish
Apr 12, 2009
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#2
i feel your pain. even though i have 10 stores within 5 miles i only buy my fish from one of them. i cant believe some of these places stay in business the way they take care of their fish. the smell in some of them drove me out before i could even look at the fish. it was a big joke when i was looking for the female johanni. they had no idea what i was talking about and couldn't care less. i finally went to a very expensive store 20 miles away that said they had them when i called. but they were wrong. he promised me he would contact the local breeders and find some and call me. that never happened either. i was going to order them online but they couldn't promise they would be females. very frustrating!
 

#3
Hello again RobinAnne. Wow! Ten stores within five miles! Amazing! But that's American urbanized areas for you, I suppose. It is indeed a shame though that more of those stores don't take their business more seriously. I just feel that anyone who is involved in any area of the pet industry has a responsibility to properly care for their charges until they are sold, given away or whatever. They are God's creatures after all.

You know, right before coming to this board, I saw a picture of a Pseudotropheus Elongatus. Another friend on another board had mentioned this species to me before, and suggested that Bully Boy might be one of those, or at least a hybrid of one of those, but after looking at a picture of one, I was doubtful. However, the image I just looked at a few minutes ago bears a striking resemblance to Bully Boy. The main difference is that Bully Boy only has about three and a half vertical bars which fade out about halfway up his body. If you want to see the image that I am talking about, go here:

cichlids.com: P.ndumbi, and P. elongatus.."mpanga"

The other two males in my tank also bear some similarities to the above fish. So I am wondering if my fish might be one of these hybrids:

Melanochromis Johanni x Melanochromis Cyaneorhabdos
Melanochromis Johanni x Pseudotropheus Elongatus

Anyway, in other news, check out the news pics of "Junior" that I just posted here. He may be the sole survivor.
 

Nov 19, 2008
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Des Moines, Iowa
#4
yeah we have one very large aquarium store here in town that is just straight disgusting. its a hole in the wall joint. made me sick when i walked in and then when i finally got back to the fish it was HORRIBLE. tanks were all disgustingly dirty, you could barely see the fish, and most the fish didnt really look that healthy. i went in there once and will NEVER go back again. im also very disappointed in petsmart and petco. there labels are NOT accurate and tell much wrong information. ive wanted to say something lately but i havent. i think i will next time. there size measurements are off, the names of them are wrong, there aggression is wrong on some. i just found out we have another shop and visited this weekend. it was beautiful. it was cleaner than petco or petsmart could ever wish to be on a grand opening of a new store. all the fish were labeled properly and all the plants were labeled properly and get this looked healthy. all in all im very disappointed in our petstores around here. there are only 2 out of like 20 in a 40 mile distance that i will go to and get stuff. the others always have diseases, overpriced, and look like crap
 

#5
I must admit that I am rather surprised by these negative reports of LFS in the US mainland. Considering the high level of professionalism that we find on some these tropical fish messageboards, and the technology that is available in the USA, I suppose I had assumed that this would carry over to the LFS as well, but apparently that isn't necessarily so, at least not with all of them.
 

Nov 19, 2008
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Des Moines, Iowa
#6
well it seems that some joe smo can get a job in the aquarium dept at either petco or petsmart and those are like supposed to be the big time pet stores that you can get good accurate info but you cant. i see it more and more the more knowledgable i get with the fish world
 

brnttoast

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Sep 16, 2006
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#7
i encountered one very clueless employee at a walmart some years ago, and it wasn't exactly a bad thing
i bought every "funny looking goldfish" as she called them in the tank, then after quarantining my 1.99 parot cichlids for a month i took them into my LFS and traded them for some nice expensive catfish i would not have been able to afford otherwise :)
 

#8
Well, TropicalCrazy and BrntToast -- why did it burn? -- as I said before, I suppose that is what you get when you hire minimum-wage employees, don't train them properly, and shuffle them around in the business from one position to another. Again, such people should meet a minimum set of criteria before they are even allowed to dispense any advice and information, as otherwise, they make themselves -- and the store -- look bad.
 

Nov 19, 2008
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Des Moines, Iowa
#9
Cichlidoclus i agree with you. there should be set requirements.

brnttoast im scared to buy any fish at walmart. they always have diseases in every tank and there fish ALWAYS die on anyone i know that gets them. around here the walmart "pet specialist" so you call them are more dumb then the ones at the pet store. thats what scares me most. everytime i see someone wanting to buy a fish from walmart i want to tell them no and why not to, but i dont. its just natural to everyone that knows fish around here or i guess even if you dont know everyone knows not to buy from walmart here in this neighborhood
 

jo3olous

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Aug 6, 2008
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#10
I must admit that I am rather surprised by these negative reports of LFS in the US mainland. Considering the high level of professionalism that we find on some these tropical fish messageboards, and the technology that is available in the USA, I suppose I had assumed that this would carry over to the LFS as well, but apparently that isn't necessarily so, at least not with all of them.
It stinks, most LFS stores are filled with idiots that don't really know anything about the fish; they just know if they want to keep their job they better sell what's in the tanks ~ /thread
 

#11
It stinks, most LFS stores are filled with idiots that don't really know anything about the fish; they just know if they want to keep their job they better sell what's in the tanks ~ /thread
That is the tragedy of the situation. As with so many things in life, as I've said often enough, it comes down to money and profit; but that is just a very bad model to follow when it comes to the pet industry. Money and profit must be balanced with responsibility, education and tender loving care. They need to stop treating animals, including fish, just as commodities, and more as the beautiful creatures that they are.

BTW, cute puffer image. Here on Guam I used to go snorkeling in our local reefs 3 to 5 times a week. Seeing large puffers like that amongst the coral heads was amazing. Of course, I imagine that you know that some of them actually eat coral. That's why they've got those big parrot-like beaks for a mouth. I used to keep some in my marine tanks and would feed them Doromin sticks.