I got to admit, it was the cheapest clown loaches in my area. They are about 4 inches each. I think they had so many of them that hadn't sold in awhile that they wanted to get rid of them. Well I really won't know if my 7 shrimps are going to be alive for long because I only see them once in awhile because it's heavily planted in a 60 gallon. Well, I am not too worried concerning their algae-eating ability because my LFS order some SAE for me (he had to get 120 as minimum LOL). He owes me because I spend way to much there.