Eclipse systems

ChazECJr

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For anyone here who owns and likes the Eclipse systems, could you tell me which tank you think is the better "tank for the dollar"?

5 gallon hex  -   $50.
System 6     -   $65.

It seems to me that $15 is a lot to pay for one extra gallon capacity, but then some people don't like hex tanks.

Also, has anyone had success using these as a planted tank?

Thanks.
 

arcab4

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i would personally get the biggest tank u can get. but if you had to choose between those two....i would get the system6 since everything you need is pretty much built in. $65 is a bit expensive IMHO and i'm sure you can find somewhere that's cheaper. i think i picked mine up for 35dollars. i'd sell it to you for cheap but alas..my exgf kept it and i don't think i'll be getting it back anytime soon. HAHA.

they're not great for planted tanks unless you go with lowlight plants. the lighting isn't bright enough.

johnny
 

colesea

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Oct 22, 2002
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Because of the very narrow confines of the five hex, you won't have happy fishies. They'll be bashing themselves around trying to swim and having no where to swim too. Also, because the five is very tall, you have to worry about lack of O2 and circulation at the bottom of your tank, espeically for bottom dwellers who may not take too kindly to suffocating in heavy ammonia water. The hex shape has a tendacy to distort the look and view of your fish because of the refraction, your fish may look cut in half or some other weird shape. The narrow bottom allows for less fit of decorations.

Those are just the disadvantages of hex tanks in general, no matter what size.

As far as the filtration goes, I believe it is the same model filter they use on their three and two gallon tanks. Hmm...how can a filter that is rated for two and three gallons be as effiecent on a five gallon tank? That's just food for thought. But the Marineland products themselves are very reliable products, so I wouldn't have anything against the filter itself. As far as I can tell, nothing extra is in the six except for the filter that operates on six gallons being bigger, and for the extra volume.

I have an Eclipse system 6 at home, and I enjoy it. It doesn't take up as much space as the five does because it's not as tall, especialy since I have it on the bottom shelf of an already existing tank stand (that has my 20g on top). I've got a pretty decent size rock in it, a replica resin sunken tree stump, and a whole slew of plastic plants. I've had it running over a year now, and so far, I've no complaints. Well, except when the snails climb up into the filter and block the biowheel spinning.

But if your tastes pull you towards getting the hex, then go for it. Being that they're both Marineland products, I'm sure they're both equally good.
~~Colesea
 

ChazECJr

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Oct 22, 2002
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What type of lighting does the System 6 come with?  I am not sure of the wattage, or if it is even fluorescent or incandescent.  

Also, anyone know what light the System 3 has?

Thanks again.
 

DannyDJ

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Oct 22, 2002
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I have an Eclipse System 3 and the lighting is fluorescent.  I don't remember the wattage, though, but it's quite bright and not dim at all.  I think all of the Marineland Eclipse systems use fluorescent lighting.  My Eclipse System 12 uses some kind of compact fluorescent bulb that's very bright for its size.

As for the hexagon versus the other size, I'd go with the Eclipse System 6 because of the extra gallon of water and the larger, uninterrupted viewing area.

If you're going to keep a male betta, then you should know that I had to take mine out of the Eclipse System 3 tank because he'd stalk his reflection and his fins got wrapped around the filter uptake.  He couldn't escape and, when it happened twice, I moved him out of there.  Some people seem to have no problem with their bettas being in the smaller Eclipse Systems.  I'd advise keeping an eye on any betta you put into a small Eclipse tank in case he gets caught in the filter intake repeatedly.

By the way, live plants grow quite well in the Eclipse tanks due to the bright light.  I don't know about plants that like extremely high light levels, but plants that do well in medium light should do well in an Eclipse tank.  The light is so bright that algae tends to readily form on the front, underneath where the lights are in my Eclipse tanks.  -Just use an algae pad that's safe for acrylic and scrub it off during partial water changes.
 

ChazECJr

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Oct 22, 2002
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Sorry Josh, I guess even the best products may sometimes fail.  I've heard good things about Eclipse.

Danny, did you try to put plants/rocks/something along the wall of the tank near the filter so he wouldn't see his reflection there?  Maybe then he would have stayed away from that area.

Charlie
 

colesea

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Algae? In your Eclipse? Wow. I haven't yet had an algae problem in my six. Could be due to several factors.

1) The tank is on a bottom shelf, out of any direct room light.
2)  The tank is also out of any direct sunlight. It used to get about 10 minutes of very prettily setting sun a day, but now that the 29 gallon is blocking the window, no direct sunlight hits it at all
3)  Hood lamp is only on for maybe a total of two hours a day.
The bulb says it is a Full Daylight F8/T5 made specifically for Marineland 120VAC 60Hz 16Amp. I don't know what all that means, but it looks like a full-spectrum florescent bulb to me *shrug*
4) Plethora of mud snails. I don't know exactly how many because I never see them crawling around the tank except if I catch them off guard and turn the light on in the morning when I first get up.  Haven't seen one much larger than my pinky nail either.
5) No live plants. The snails would probably munch them anyway.

I know its not because the tank is understocked. I've got nine fish in it. And I know it's not because I feed less frequently, I feed quite well, and do a two gallon water change on it twice a week. *shrug*
~~Colesea
 

DannyDJ

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Oct 22, 2002
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Well, I've got live plants in the tank, so I keep the lights on for at least 10 hours.  I've greatly increased the number of plants in all my tanks recently, due to a plant order in which I got more than I expected.  Maybe this will tip the balance so that algae's not as much of a problem.  But algae always first shows up on the front glass at the center up near where the lights are.

I forgot to mention, now that the tank is heavily planted, Rusty might not be so quick to stalk his reflection.  But I've noticed he's a more aggressive sort and I don't hold up a mirror often, if at all, because he goes into massive overdrive and stays on patrol for a while after the mirror is gone.  I could give it a try, moving him into the 3 gallon again now that the three tiny White Cloud Mountain Minnows I had in there have become one; two of them inexplicably went belly up for no discernable reason.  I figure it must've been the shipping and changes they'd been subjected to, in addition to their small size when I got them.
 

ChazECJr

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Oct 22, 2002
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Danny,

Just read at another site about a betta getting caught in the Eclipse filter intake.  Someone suggested putting a piece of sponge filter in the intake to reduce the flow.  If you decide to try let us know how it worked.   *thumbsupsmiley*
 

JWright

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Bettas are much stronger swimmers than most people think. There is no way a healthy Betta would get sucked into a filter. I kept a Betta in an Eclipse 3 for about a year until the filter crapped out (see above).

White Clouds are shoaling fish and really do better in groups. I would suggest picking up a few more (5 or so) and moving them to a bigger tank (at least a 10). They're active fish and need space to swim.

Josh
 

ChazECJr

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Oct 22, 2002
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I'm sure white clouds would enjoy a lot of swimming space, most fish would.  For what it is worth though, I have had two in a one gallon tank for over a month now, and they have shown normal color, very good appetite, and no signs of stress or disease so far.
 

huck

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Oct 22, 2002
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I know that the eclipse 5 gallon hex filter turns over the water 7 times an hour (not bad) , so that would be a 35 gph filter...  And I read somewhere that it has a 15 watt incandecant lamp for the lighting...   I dont know anything about the system six, but I would get that over the 5 gallon hex...  I bet you could get a complete 10 gallon setup with an AC filter and everything for around $65.  Unless you are really wanting an eclipse system...