Epic fail! And I'm *still* not sure how/why

bassbonediva

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Oct 15, 2009
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Ok, so as you can see in my sig, I have a 55gal tank that has been set up since about mid-January. I *love* this tank, as it is fairly self-maintaining. I do a 20-30% water change once every week and a half or so and my numbers are perfect every time. I was not even remotely close to being stocked and was slightly overfiltered with a Cascade 1000 canister filter. My absolute favorite fish in the tank was my upside down catfish. I got Alistair when he was maybe 3/4" long and the last I saw him alive he was close to 5". I had taken one of the light fixtures off the tank to put on the 29gal temporarily because I needed more light in that tank until I could get a T5 light (the 55gal had a 36" 60W fixture and a 48" 30W fixture on it). I got the T5 on Wednesday, so I moved the 36" fixture back onto the 55gal. I had been feeding the fish in the 55gal, but hadn't been paying too close attention to it since I just got my 46gal bowfront back up and running and am about to redo the 29gal (hence the T5 light for the 29gal). When I turned the light on the 55gal, I was appalled at the sight that greeted me. My water was extremely cloudy and a muddy-looking green-brown. I couldn't see to the back of the tank. I had done my regular water change the Wednesday before, so I hadn't really bothered to check the tank except to feed. I do overfeed the tank slightly because I *don't* have an algae problem, but I have a couple of otos in the tank, plus my cories, kuhlis and Alistair. I started poking around behind the driftwood (there are three large pieces in the tank) to see if I could find the cause of the damage and that's when I found Alistair's skeleton at the back of the tank. I was seriously crying as I fished him out. I didn't even bother testing the water because as I continued to fish around with the net, I came up with the bodies of my kuhlis, one of my panda cories, a couple of platies, and an oto. I know that my ammonia probably won't even register if I test it.

So, now I'm at a loss as to what to do. I have an empty 18gal tank that I can set up quickly (I have an extra cycled filter on my 29gal at the moment because the 18gal came with a filter, but since I wasn't setting the 18gal up, I just stuck the filter on the 29gal so I wouldn't lose the cycle on it) and transfer all the remaining fish into. As far as I can see there are three female bettas, my transvestite betta (STILL don't know if it's a male or female), probably half a dozen platies, three or four cories and an oto (don't ask me how the oto survived when it's the most sensitive fish in the tank), so the 18gal would be a little tight, but they'd manage (plus I could put the cories in the 29gal since the small pleco listed in my sig is going to the LFS 'cuz I've determined he's a common pleco, which I didn't think he was when I bought him). Would the best idea be to transfer all the fish to cycled tanks and then work on getting the ammonia down in the 55gal? Or should I just do massive daily water changes on the 55gal and hope for the best with the fish still in there? My biggest worry is that there might be more dead bodies behind the driftwood that I haven't found yet and unless I mostly drain the tank, I probably won't be able to find them. HELP!

Also, my friend and I just emailed about an 80gal tank someone is selling with everything (light, filter, heater, and not exactly sure what else) for $50, so if we get that, the 55gal might come down and then my problem would be pretty much solved (just transfer the media from the Cascade to the new filter to preserve the cycle), but I haven't heard back from them, so I'm working on the 55gal problem as though I don't have an alternative but to keep the tank up and going.
 

Jul 9, 2010
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o wow that really is horrible thing to happen to you, i had a similar experience with goldfish i think you should try to get the 80gal that sounds like a good deal to me, and idk if you have yet or not but you should try draining the tank to try to find any other bodies there might be.
 

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Sorry to hear of your loss :(

I would also drain down to make sure all bodies are found and any survivers moved out. You may have some alive and hiding still.

Is there any chance of some toxin getting in the tank? Sprays or cleaners used near the tank? Kids over and left alone in the room with the tank (I heard of a kid pouring the entire bottle of dechlor into a tank, which removes dissolved oxygen when overdosed like that)?

Just trying to figure it out so it doesn't happen again or to anyone else. Made me go take a head count ...:(
 

bassbonediva

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Oct 15, 2009
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I will definitely drain down the tank. At least I have a place to put the survivors in the interrum.

That's the thing, OC. My son doesn't live with me and he's the only kid that comes to my house ever (he lives with his dad and visits me during breaks at school). As I said, I hadn't really looked at this tank in almost a week. The only thing that could have done any damage is the fact that I have a mouse infestation (which was not that bad until the stupid pest control lady gave me glue traps and now it's like the mice are out for revenge because they are EVERYWHERE), but I haven't found any droppings near the tanks really.

What's really weird is that the tank didn't smell at all really (just the normal water and plant life smell it always has) and my platies and bettas in that tank have been begging at the front of the tank, just like always.

I'm always REALLY careful about cleaning around my tanks since the big tanks don't have hoods or covers. I got a glass canopy for the 29gal because of the T5 light I bought and since I'm going to look at a T5 light for the 55gal on Monday, I'll end up getting a glass canopy for this tank as well. That'll just leave my 46gal bowfront uncovered, but that tank is EXTREMELY hard to find a glass canopy for because it IS a bowfront.

Anywho, I still haven't heard back on the 80gal, but I'm REALLY hoping to get it because even if my friend and I don't use it, we can always resell it at a higher price than we paid for it (because it's worth a heck of a lot more than $50). However, we're thinking about doing the 55gal as a SW tank later on down the road when we can really afford it, so... *shrug*

Thanks for the responses, guys. I really appreciate it. I don't know if I'm going to replace Alistair. I *think* he was actually a featherfin/USD cross because he looked NOTHING like the USD cats I've seen on planetcatfish.com or in Petsmart. He was colored almost exactly like the featherfins at Petsmart, though, and he swam right side up almost as much as he did upside down. He was one special fish. *sniff*
 

lauraf

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Jan 1, 2010
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Oh Paige, how upsetting! It's one thing to lose special fish, and an entirely other affair to not understand why. Could it have been that one or two fish died for a random reason, or old age, and their bodies started an ammonia spike that affected the others??? Seems odd that in a 55g as well maintained as yours it could happen that quickly . . . .
Please let us know if you find out what might have triggered this issue.
Hugs,
Laura
 

bassbonediva

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Oct 15, 2009
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Tomorrow I'm going to move everyone that is still alive over to the 18gal and turn the filter off on the 55gal. I can't get to cleaning the tank until Tuesday because tomorrow I have church and then I am going to a friend's house for dinner and Monday we're going to Phoenix (a two hour drive) to get some errands and such done. What's weird is my indestructable hornwort is all but finished off, but my dwarf sag is perfectly fine and dwarf sag (at least in my experience) tends to be a bit sensitive. I am REALLY hoping the guy emails me back about the 80gal.
 

bassbonediva

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Oct 15, 2009
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Okay. The survivors of the 55gal Chernobyl are three female bettas; Tristan, my transvestite betta; one oto; and a grand total of 12 platies, including my hi-fin sunset burst female and my little tiger-striped parrot juvenile (she's silver bodied with an orange tail and black tiger stripes...she's about 3/4" long now!). They are now in the 18gal (a little overcrowded, but I'm running an AquaTech 20-40 filter on it).

This is the tank they're in now:


I didn't take a pic of the 55gal Chernobyl because it is too depressing. :(

And here's a pic of the surviving oto being asked what the heck is going on by one of the girls:
 

blue_ram

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Jun 21, 2008
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Did something nuke your filter? Excessive chlorine or chloramines? Did you test your ph? Possibly a ph crash? IIRC both plants and the nitrogen cycle use calcium, if the water get's depleted of calcium, your ph may crash and kill off (much) of the biological filter. The nitrogen cycle also creates nitric acid which can substantially drop the ph in the absence of buffers and calcium.

If a ph crash nukes the filter; a few days later the filter rebounds, the tank recycles and you get an algal bloom due to the flood of nitrates. The algal bloom then depletes the water of O2 and fish die.
 

Jul 6, 2010
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My aunt recently had something similar happen.... one of the lights cracked and (not sure if it was related but...) then the thermometer snapped in half before she realized the light was broken. The tank had been stable and everything until this happened and she found out the next morning when the water, though not murky, looked foggy and one of her oscars was upside down dead with his butt stuck in the filter. None of the fish survived and she had to have a friend from the fire dept. come and get the tank because of the mercury.

Based on how sudden it was, it sounds like there was some sort of mechanical failure to cause this. Especially seeing as your tanks been stable for so long. When you empty it, make sure to check all the filter parts, make sure nothing melted or something.

I'd also say go for that 80g. That's an amazing deal and it'll take your mind of your 55g "chamber of death' =[

So sorry for your loss, I cried over my week old fish... I can only imagine losing one that's been with you for so long =[
 

bassbonediva

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Oct 15, 2009
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Did something nuke your filter? Excessive chlorine or chloramines? Did you test your ph? Possibly a ph crash? IIRC both plants and the nitrogen cycle use calcium, if the water get's depleted of calcium, your ph may crash and kill off (much) of the biological filter. The nitrogen cycle also creates nitric acid which can substantially drop the ph in the absence of buffers and calcium.

If a ph crash nukes the filter; a few days later the filter rebounds, the tank recycles and you get an algal bloom due to the flood of nitrates. The algal bloom then depletes the water of O2 and fish die.
I haven't tested my pH because that's not something I usually do, but I guess I will tonight. We have really hard water where I live, but the fish are adapted to it, so it's usually all good. I'll tear apart my filter as well and see if there's anything in there that could have caused a problem.

The cloudiness of the tank isn't what looks like an algae bloom, which is what has me confused. My water in that tank has always been tinted a bit brown because of tannins (with three huge pieces of driftwood in there, it's understandable), but I've *always* been able to see to the back of the tank. Now, even running the new T5 fixture I got on it, you can't see ANYTHING in the tank unless it's right up against the glass. It's just uber-murky, like someone poured mud into the tank and it refuses to settle. I had a heck of a time netting the survivors out of the tank because if they weren't right up by the surface, I couldn't see them (except the female bettas who pretty much just swim into the net anyway).

On a slightly different note, I didn't get the 80gal because the people never emailed me back on it. :mad: That is one of my MAJOR pet peeves...if you're going to list something for sale on Craigslist and someone emails you about it, respond to them! If you've already sold it, take the ad down, but if you don't, at least let people who are interested in it know that you sold it! GAH!! Sorry, little mini rant there. It just irritates the heck out of me!
 

xarumitzu

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Jun 27, 2009
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I'm sorry to hear about your tank Bass. I definitely know what your going through though. I have a sunken aircraft carrier in my 30G tank that my old Dwarf Gourami loved to hide in. My little brother nicknamed it Leonidas for some reason. Well, I hadn't seen him in like a week, but I didn't really think anything of it because he was always a bit skidish. When I went to do my bi-weekly I noticed that my other fish were losing color and didn't really seem right. So, I moved the aircraft carrier and found Leonidas dead and being nipped at by a rouge Cory. Eventually I got a new Gourami, but he never quite replaced Leonidas.
 

bassbonediva

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Oct 15, 2009
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Well, I still haven't done anything with the 55gal (except get a nice new T5 light for $75 off CL!). However, I drove about three hours today to pick up a tank that I bought under the impression that it was a 100gal. Yeah, it wasn't. It's a 50gal. Luckily I only paid $80 for it and it came with a nice wrought iron stand, filter (although it's missing the intake tube and the filter has been discontinued, so it's useless), cruddy stock light, black gravel and a few decorations. I'm a bit miffed about it, actually. If it had been a bigger tank, it would have replaced the 55gal.
 

Jan 31, 2009
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This sounds exactly like what happened in my 47g, only my water wasn't murky. I returned from a week of vacation to find one fish missing, one sick, and one with half its tail missing. When the sick fish died the next morning, I decided it was definately time for a water change. Once the tank was full, all the fish went to the surface and started gulping. After I drained the tank and threw out the filter in case there was some poison in the new water (so I had to restart the cycle- grr!) I determined that my pleco had died somewhere and filling the tank had stirred up the gravel. This was confirmed by a test in some of the old water that revealed high ammonia. Eventually all the fish but the swordtails succumbed to ammonia poisoning.

I'm looking on the bright side here and starting over. Luckily I didn't have any irreplacable fish in that tank. Good luck with yours.
 

bassbonediva

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Oct 15, 2009
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I'm just going to keep updating on this thread to let anyone interested know what's going on with this tank.

So, I've already sold that 50gal to a friend. lol. The day after I bought it (bought it on Thursday) I left for Utah with some friends and another friend messaged me on Facebook asking me if I had seen any 50gal+ tanks for cheap because she needed a new tank for her turtle. So, I sold her the tank I have (minus the stand, gravel and the jaguar skull decoration) for $50. Didn't even tell her the price I wanted, that's what she offered.

Anyway, I haven't even been home yet, so I haven't done anything with the tank yet. However, I did get a nice Current NOVA T5 light for this tank for $75 off Craigslist last week, so that'll be nice.
 

bassbonediva

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Oct 15, 2009
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Okay, so I just realized that redoing this tank is going to be...fun. I messed up my left shoulder at work moving stall panels (sprained my AC joint and more than likely did rotator cuff damage, but we won't know for sure until they do an MRI, which my insurance is refusing to authorize) and I'm not supposed to lift anything heavy above my waist. Yeah, the stand the 55gal is going onto when it gets redone is about waist high and the 55gal is definitely heavy. Eep! Oh well. I haven't exactly been following the "no lifting" rule to the letter anyway, so I'll just have to run with it. :p
 

bassbonediva

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Oct 15, 2009
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Eh, I'm tough, Laura. lol I've been dealing with this injury for the past almost three months, so I'll get it figured out. I'll just have to be creative. There's always the option of bribing the guy who works at the barn where I work to help me (he'll do anything for a home-cooked meal ;) ).
 

lauraf

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Jan 1, 2010
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Good on you, Paige. Anything for our animals, right? I've been dealing with nerve damage in my shoulder for almost four years now, and am always trying to justify to my husband that a little lifting of tank water on my part is a good thing if followed immediately by rest, ice, and a bottle of wine ;) Oh, and peel me a grape while you're at it . . . .
Hey, you posted some pics of your new tank in another thread - can you start another thread, or use this one, so that we can see how things are going to progress in your 55g?
Cheers,
Laura
 

bassbonediva

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Oct 15, 2009
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That pic I posted was of my 29gal (which is bare bones ATM) because the OP in that thread asked to see it. I've been too busy working on the 29gal to even think about the 55gal. Plus I'm having filter issues on the 46gal (the canister filter I bought used won't create suction...I fail epically at canister filters!), so I need to get that cleared up so I can finish the 29gal. I'll take a pic of the 55gal as it sits right now and put it up though.