Found possible solution for NO AMMONIA!

May 19, 2010
29
0
0
Pennsylvania
#1
Well it worked for me, no guarantees. I have had nothing but high ammonia levels in my tank consistently. Changed water every day, had undergravel filter and media filter, additives, nothing worked. So, I discovered the mess under the undergravel filter just lays there at the bottom of the tank. So I did a complete water change, washed the plants and scrubbed it clean. No ammonia for a couple days, then back to high levels again.

So, what I did, I got rid of the undergravel filter and switched my gravel to black sand. After cleaning the sand thoroughly before use, I added the sand, and even added 7 new fish. It has been 3 weeks now and tested everyday, and not one trace of ammonia! It was basically a complete new tank setup and I noticed the PH stays consistent, no ammonia, nitrite and nitrate levels are perfect. I usually gently whisk the algae cleaner over the sand and "sweep" up the fish poo towards the filter. Much easier since everything settles on top of the sand and doesn't hide under the gravel and decompose causing toxic ammonia. Also got 5 ghost shrimp to help with the "cleaning" of leftover food. 5 for $1.00, very cheap cleaning tools :)
I am so relieved to not have to change water consistently and ammonia levels being 0. I believe sand substrate is better than gravel, but that's my opinion. You can get sand in a variety of colors, so you have just as much choice as gravel if you want a colored substrate.

If you want to switch to sand, don't believe the hype that it will clog your filter. If it is cleaned well prior to adding it to the tank, it will pose no problems. You will of course get a few "sand bubbles" and dust but it goes away quickly. And no, the filter will not suck up the sand if the filter is kept at least 2 inches from the sand. It actually works pretty good being the flow from the filter will cause the fish waste that sets on top of the sand floating towards the filter. Fish love the sand better too. More natural. And no, when they scurry near it, it does not cause a bunch of sand to float around.

In conclusion, my opinion is sand is much better than gravel for freshwater :)
 

phin

Large Fish
Oct 21, 2009
218
0
0
#2
More so than sand, its the filters. HOB and canister filters are much better than the undergravel filters. It wasn't the gravel that was causing your high ammonia levels, it was your undergravel filter.
 

May 19, 2010
29
0
0
Pennsylvania
#3
I did have a HOB filter along with the undergravel. Was a 14 gallon tank with a 30-60 rated filter, so there was plenty of power. I took out the undergravel filter after getting sick of water changes and still, same result. So it wasn't entirely the UG filter. Still have the waste between the gravel that even with gravel cleaners, can't completely get rid of.
 

MOA

Medium Fish
Aug 20, 2009
94
0
0
#4
Hmmm...

I have been UGFs by themselves for years--no problems so far. However, I am a major fan of residual flow theory, which matches your use of sand in that sand has much more surface area per cubic inch than normal gravel. This is probably a case of to little medium in the aquarium, IMO.

MOA
 

Mar 13, 2009
314
0
0
Poconos, PA
#5
Too late now but you could've just removed most of the gravel and kept a thin layer in there. This is how I manage to avoid any ammonia spikes during cleaning.
I'm honestly stumped that removing an undergravel filter helps keep ammonia down. I don't see how that works.

My own solution for no ammonia is (Do not overcrowd).
And of course (cycle the tank before you add livestock).

Easy breezy.:D
 

phin

Large Fish
Oct 21, 2009
218
0
0
#6
The UG filter pulls water and waste down, away from the hob you were running, so some fish waste never made it to the hob and became packed into the gravel. Even when the UG was removed the accumulated waste was still packed in. I like MOA's theory on more surface area w/sand vs gravel though, it makes sense.
 

jrs@50

New Fish
May 29, 2010
4
0
0
#10
better late then never i suppose

I probably should be posting this in filtration but I've never been a big fan of UGF's untill recently when a friend of mine who swears by them mentioned to me one day in discussion about how and why they work that he runs them in reverse, so that the return line with a head on it is sucking up the debris that is being suspended by the force of the water now being pumped back into the tank thru the gravel by way of the framework of the thing buried in the substrate. I thought this was genius at work and would be running one right this minute if I hadn't just changed out all my bloody gravel for 125 pounds of sand!. On the other hand, it is the long weekend, a couple of cold ones and I could be finished by monday, I aint going anywhere. jim