Good cycling fish

Oct 31, 2002
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Just filled up my 44g last night and have let everything run non-stop since, except for my lights which are on a 12 hour on/off schedule. I would like to buy a few "starter" fish on Saturday to get my cycle going. Can anyone recommend what type of fish is good for cycling and about how many to buy for a 44g? Thanks.
 

1979camaro

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Oct 22, 2002
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I think most people here support fishless cycling...something you might want to look into...I on the other hand did it the old way my first time...I would say 8 to 10 zebra danios would work, they are hardy and come in several versions (long and short finned as well as albino [golden], I think one more as well)...probably will get lots of insight from others as well

Kevin
 

Oct 22, 2002
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Cycling with fish? Well, you can use any kind of fish imo! Some are hardier than others but in the end, they will be harm in one way or another. However, that is up to you!

Just out of curiousity, are you aware of 'fishless' cycling and if so, any reason for not cycling without fish?
 

Avalon

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Oct 22, 2002
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I do not oppose cycling with fish, so here are some good choices:

any feeder fish (no heater w/ goldfish)
danios
platies
black skirt tetras
mollies

You may find that danios are a good choice, because when you add fish later on, they will stay in the top 'zone' of your aquarium. There aren't a whole lot of fish that do.

I do recommend you wait at least one week before you add fish, and no more than about 8-10 when you do. Try to match the temperature and PH of the water you purchase your fish from with that of your own.
 

Oct 31, 2002
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Yes-

I've read the article on fishless cycling, and call me what you will, but it seems more natural to cycle with fish. I know I'll probably receive heat for saying that, but that's my plan and I'm sticking to it...I'm not out to hurt fish, so that's why I started this thread. Anyway, thanks for your responses so far. As far as waiting to add fish goes...that's not a problem, but when will I know that the time is right? Am I just looking for a Ph around 7 or something else? Also, would it be safe to add plants now? Thanks.
 

lizwinz

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Oct 22, 2002
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well im not going to give you any "heat" as far as fish-in cycling goes...but i will say that from my personal experience fishless cycling is less time consuming and less expensive, i've tried both and i wouldnt ever do a fish-in cycle again

also as far as being "natural"...its not really natural for fish to be in a glass box either

ammonia is the "natural" result of waste or decomposition...no matter what is used to create it, it ends up being the same chemical...so the ammonia in the store and the ammonia your fish produce is basiclly the same thing

but as far as your situation goes i would say if your going to use fish, use danios there the hardiest fish imo

youll have to do alot of water changes to keep them healthy just like any other fish tho

if you cant keep them healthy and they die i hope you'll remove them...i've seen some give the advice that dead fish in your tank will help your cycling along, but imo it also provides a breeding ground for harmful bacteria and fungus that might harm fish that are added after your cycle is complete

i wouldnt use any feeders unless you quarintine them elsewhere and treat them for diseases before using them to cycle (seems like alot of work for fish that are likely to die anyway) cuz they tend to be unhealthy and might introduce disease to your tank that might affect fish added later on

as far as knowing when the time is right...are you referring to adding fish to start the cycle or adding fish after the cycle is done?

good luck w/the tank*thumbsups

--liz:)
 

Oct 22, 2002
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When I first start keeping fish, I did not even know there was such a thing as a cycle. 2 days after I setup my 30G, I threw some fish in! Boy, have I learnt!

Im not going to give anyone 'heat' either! I believe that we went thru that already sometime ago! Anyhow, the one biggest advantage with fishless cycling is that when the cycle is complete, you can add all the fish that your tank is capable of. This is not possible with cycling with fish (add a couple of fish every couple of weeks). The other advantage is that the fish are not harmed from ammonia and nitrites. These will harm fish there is no doubt about it! Ammonia burns the gills and nitrites destroys blood cells!

However, if you must cycle with fish, I have used whitecloud minnows with great success (well, as far as success could be). Very tough fish, any temp, ph, kh, gh! Believe me! Ive tried it!

Good Luck! We are just trying to help and share our experiences!

O! About starting the cycle, two ways to do it! Add filter media from an established tank (or gravel/decorations) or wait for bacteria to start growing! The first will speed up the cycle and the second will require patience!
 

Gnome

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Originally posted by lizwinz
since i was rambling on with my other post :D i'll make this short and sweet

i think youd be okay adding them tomorrow, like you planned to

-liz:)
If you're doing fish-in-cycling I would recommend you to have the Seachem pride, It will detoxify ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate..since you're concern about getting the fish harmed
BTW I did a fish-in-cycling because I couldn't find the material(non-surfactants ammonia), but cole said that you can use anything that can decompose/rotten such as meat...but I didn't knew that when I was on the way,
yup it is better to have your plant planted now since nitrobacter is competing w/ plant for ammonia and plant is a good medium for the bacteria to develop. mine took a month and a week.
 

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colesea

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Yes, you can use anything that would rot in a tank to get the cycle going. Old-school methods used -dead- fish carcasses which is how the whole "cycle with fish" began. But I like raw chicken on a sting, or a nice hunk of cocktail shrimp. You can also use pure ammonia if you can find it on the market.

Old school cycle methods have always been throw in a few fish, what lives, lives, what dies is what is contributing to the cycle. Fish used in old school were feeder goldfish or guppies. THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA! Feeder fish are not kept in the best of condtions at the LFS and carry parasites. Thus you will be introducting parasites to your tank that could make your ornamentals sick. Also, goldfish are non-tropical so should not be in a heated tank or mixed with tropical species. And then you would have to find a home for the guppies...

The method I would usually recommened to people wanted to do a with-fish cycle is only add about 2-4 fish every two weeks, doing a 10% water change once a week. EXPECT DEATHS with this method. Some fish can handle an unbalnced tank better than others. Most impatient folk don't want the "unpretty" fish that are relatively hearty, but want the delicate ornamentals right way. The delicates definately cannot be used to cycle. BEING SLOW AND PATIENT is the key. You want to add fish to add their waste, but you don't want to add so many fish that they end up dead from their own organic matter! Think of it as swimming in a public kiddy pool without a filter. This method is relying on the dilution volume of your tank to keep the resulting ammonia spikes below toxic levels. Bacteria does not happen over-night and takes about two weeks to match the bioload in the tank. You will only have enough bacteria to convert ammonia from those fish in your tank. Adding any addtional fish will create additional and larger spikes.

Fishless cycles allow you to reach toxic ammonia spikes quickly, which will further encourage bacteria growth as well as give you a bacteria population that will support a full bioload of fish without additional spikes. Test kits are a heck of a lot cheaper than having to purchase fish all the time. When doing a fishless cycle, ammonia levels should spike >5ppm then drop back down to zero, nitrites will peak >5ppm then drop back down to zero, and your nitrates should then begin to rise. Water changes are what keep nitrates in control (filters do not remove nitrates) and nitrate levels in fish tanks should not exceed 5ppm. Once you start seeing nitrates in your tank, commense with weekly 20% water changes and add your fish.

Whatever method you choose to use, both require patience. If you just can't wait to put fish in your tank, please realize that it is not the fault of the LFS if they die, so don't harass their employees.
~~Colesea
 

Nov 5, 2002
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I am no expert here so take what I say with a grain of salt.

I like cycling with the fish . . . I guess I am just too impatient:)

I think with proper testing, water changes and attention to your fish there is no reason you have to kill any fish with fish-in cycling. I started back into this hobby in October. I got a 29 gal and started with 6 Red Eye Tetras. 2 weeks later I got 6 Corys. I left it that way for a while. One of the corys died as well as one of the tetras (well the tetra just dissappeared:confused: ) The cory always looked poorly so I did not expect him to make it anyway.

The entire time (and now) I test the water every couple to three days. Do 7-10 gal. water changes weekly with the gravel vac.

Fishless or fish-in cycling is fine depending on your own personal tastes and whether you are will to take the time to care for the fish you start with. I think it is more fun adding fish a little at a time plus it is easier on your wallet.

good luck with your tank *celebrate
 

Oct 22, 2002
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I saw this post and saw that you were from VA Beach, so I read every post. I'm not surprised at the replies. I think either way you go, you'll do the right thing. I've never tried fishless cycling, but scientifically, it works. Good luck, and we'll be seeing you again in the summer Beach!!!!
 

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Here's a thought: let's say I had a fully cycled tank and from this tank I took the spnoge from the filter, cut off a small piece, and stuck it in the filter in the new tank. In addition to doing so, I take some of the gravel and place that in the new tank. Would doing this help speed up the whole cyclingg process?