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maybe someone can help me. i just recentley purchased a couple of pairs of guppies after raising a variety of other fish and have unfortunatley run into a variety of fish diseases and been able to cure them. with these guppies though i keep losing them left and right and have to keep taking them back to the store where i purchased them. they have a white stuff growing in their mouths that are not present when i purchased them. i have been treating both of my tanks with a fungus treatment and tetrocyclin and am not seeing any changes in the fish. am i using the wrong anti-biotic or do i need a bacterial killer instead of fungal?
Please help me if you can
Thanks Dawn
 

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Welcome to the tank :)

Possibly cotton mouth (Columnaris) a bacteral infection, not a fungal infection.

A picture can be found here:-

http://www.fishpalace.org/Disease.html#External

If this is the case, you are going to need to use an antibiotic not a fungal treatment.

"Broad spectrum antibiotics. (Examples include but are not limited to: Maracyn I & II, Jungle Binox, Aquatronics Kanacyn, etc.). Frequent water changes a must to improve quality."
 

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thanks for the feed back! will tetrocyclin work and i check all of my ph and nitrate levels everything is ok will check ammonia levels tomorrow i dont have the tester for it. but now both of my balloon mollies have died today will no physical signs of anything, but thinking might have had a parasite maybe ick saw one tiny white spot on his tail. This is really starting to bother me that i cant see what is going on. thanks again.
 

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thanks Purple do you know if it could be anything else like something i cant see from the outside? i feel foolish because i can do ick very well im not accustomed to this kind of disease. and the next question is will it contaminate my other fish?



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Mouth fungus is not an unusual (bacterial) disease, though it's not often a problem in an established tank. But as soon as you buy a new fish, you run the risk of new diseases coming along with it, some of which will not be apparent at the time. Consider that an LFS will buy a hundred fish a week - plonk them in their own tanks, and then run the whole lot on a central filter system. If so much as one of those fish has a problem, there is a chance that that problem will spread to all the other tanks too. Often the LFS will start selling the fish on before they themselves are even aware of it.

Recently I bought 3 Plattys and put them in the new guppy tank. A week later, one of them was showing signs of fungus on its head which seemed to be getting worse. So I put some meds in the tank. Didn't see the Platty for 2 weeks after that - whereupon this skeleton came dancing out on its tail. (I knew the fish must have died - but I couldn’t find it no matter how hard I looked). All the way through that, the water tested fine for everything, no other fish were affected in any way - another it time may have turned out very differently indeed. Maybe the med dose helped to control it - no real way of telling.

My point is that the treatment of sick fish is always a game of chance. Identifying the disease is the first problem, correct treatment the next. Then you have to worry about the other fish going down with it - often secondary infections appear. One simple white spot on one fish and we're biting our nails for weeks.

The best thing to do (in my opinion) is to observe a few simple basic rules of thumb. If the fish is still sick after two days - then treat the whole tank with a combination anti-bacterial/anti-fungal med. This will work in 99% of cases. Even if you have a fish that gets sick and dies the same day, and none of the others seem affected - still treat the tank. (Don’t forget that carbon must be removed from a filter when using meds)

If the fish is showing unusual symptoms - eg not it's obviously fungus or whatever, then ask around, check the net, post some pics if you can. This doesn't happen often, but we do get the odd unknown problem, and people on here will help if they can.

Things you can't see in the tank - well, yes, there are a few.........water conditions are often a factor. Not just the Ammonia, Nitrite, and Nitrate levels - there are build ups of all sorts of things your test kit doesn't look for. But there are common threads even here. The key words are "build up". Uneaten food that you can't see gets into the gravel, dead fish you know are in there but never find (until they come dancing back out) may not give you an ammonia reading, but will give the nasty diseases plenty to feed on - rotting fish - lovely grub. And all the time this is going on, we're looking through the front of the tank - all is clean - the gravel is vacuumed regularly - and it makes no damned difference at all, because we miss the same things every time - that's how a build up happens.

Prevention is better than a cure - easy to say huh........still, we have to try. Regular water changes are the first line of defence. Whatever is going on in our tanks, it’s best kept diluted. Cleaning is the next one - and not just around the ornaments, but under them as well. Every now and then, take the tank apart - all of it - nothing but fish and water remains. I take my stuff out into the yard and blast it off with a hose. Even in what looks to be a squeaky clean tank, clouds of crud appear in the water during the process, as all the stuff that’s been hiding for ages gets to see the light of day - (and shortly afterwards, the inside of a filter). It takes the tank a day or so to settle down again - but it’s worth the effort.

When you’re buying fish at the LFS - look at all the fish they have for sale - not just the ones you’re interested in. If you see so much as one sick fish, there is a good chance that illness will be in all their tanks - one guppy in a bag is all it takes to wipe out everything you have once you get it home. Be cautious - be fussy - this applies as much to where you shop as to the individual fish you buy.

And when you apply all of the above - and you still run into trouble......then welcome to the wonderful world of fish-keeping. None of us are perfect - and no-one can beat Mother nature at her own game every time.

Welcome to the tank.........
 

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I would also like to add in addition to trout and purple, did you remember to take out your carbon in your filter? I would highly suggest so! From everything I've ever read and saw from these guys is to A.L.W.A.Y.S. take the carbon out of your filter whjen you're dosing medications.
 

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Thanks trout, velvet and purple. I have taken out the carbon filters and shut down my undergravel pump that has carbon in it also. i got up this morning to another dead fish and now i understand quarintine tank!! i will take the advice and take down the tanks and hose them down real good and i will get the anti-bacterial/fungus stuff today. do you have any good names i should try?

Thanks Dawn
 

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Over your way (State-side), Jungle Labs meds have a good rep - http://www.junglelabs.com/pages/details.asp?item=TB630 - and that one should be one of those combi-meds we keep going on about - so it will treat for fungal and bacterial infections (amongst other things).

The one I use myself here in the UK is Hexamita by eSHa - same deal really, multi-purpose med - http://www.eshalabs.com/hexamita.htm

The reason we all keep mentioning carbon, is that carbon soaks up the medication, removing it from the water - great when you want to take it out after it's done its work - but not so good when you've just put the meds in.....
 

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thanks purple. I just got back for fish store with Jungle fungus clear, it said it cured both bacterial and fungus alike. i will update you in a couple days to let you know how it is going, and thanks again for all of your help it is appreciated and if it works i will have the fishies thank you also.

thanks dawn
 

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thanks again to all the replies and advice i got from everyone. today i got up and yeah no dead fish. I would like you all to know that i didnt know that at the fish store that all the tanks were set up on a central filter, so i checked this out when i went in yesterday to purchase the meds. sure enough almost every tank had a fish that had some kind of fungus on it whether or not on the mouth or fins or tail. This will help me in the future to be more thoughtful on where i go to buy my fish. thanks again for everyones help.

thanks dawn

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