HELP PLEASE....

Oct 31, 2005
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I don't know if anyone can help, I have a tank full of cichlids, they vary from jack dempseys, to cribs, to a ram, and a jewel fish, but my favorite addition is a Satanoperca leucosticta, he was added 2 weeks ago into the aqurium, he's swimming sideways, i do regular water changes, and I cleaned the tank yesterday. I always put the new fish into a hospital tank before adding them into my 90 gallon, my tank has been set up for 2 months now, does anyone know what I should do, I put him back in the 15 gallon so he wouldn't get my other fish sick, I'm new at this, but I want to save him if I can.... any suggestions??
 

Acei

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Oct 24, 2005
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Not real sure what to tell you. What are you treating him with. Sounds like a swim bladder problem to me. This could be caused by a number of things (bacterial infection, swallowing air bubble <so Ive heard>, physical damage). I'd treat with a mild antibiotic, raise the temp in the hospital tank to about 82F, and add about 1 tsp per gallon of aquarium or rock salt.

Hope things work out... keep up informed... *SICK*
 

Oct 31, 2005
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I will try that, I just cured another fish with a fungus, I wonder if they are related, I got them both from the same store but they have been okay for 3 weeks now, I also have some brown algae growing now, something is very very wrong in there, I just hope I can fix this problem without too many deaths :( I still have some medicine for the fungus in the hospital tank guess I should of cleaned it out and recycled it before putting him in there... who knows maybe that med will help... will let you know...
 

wayne

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Oct 22, 2002
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I think you are going way too fast. Satanoperca are actually not very hardy, and are quite sensitive to ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and water quality in general outside the nitrogen cycle. You have all these fish and your tank is only 2 months old..... I am not keen on that.
I don't like the word tankfull of cichlids - for the fish you describe like JD's and Satanoperca, it is not a big tank, and you are not going to get a load of fish in there.
FWIW I think you're probably ovrstocked and have pretty poor water quality. I also think you have some compatability problems- the ram must be living a pretty torrid existance in there.
I would guess a decent water change every couple of days would be a good idea, but as a start I'd like to see a full ist of fish + sizes, plus what filtration you have and a better description and so on.
Sorry to be the bearer news and so on, but better early than late I suppose
 

Oct 31, 2005
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Okay, first off, I am sorry if you didn't like the terms I used "tank full of fish" or whatever it was, I was extremely stressed out. First off, I want to tell you that your right, I might be in over my head, I have a few questions, all that I have asked different pet shop owners and have searched myself on the net....

1. How many cichlids can I have in a 90 gallon tank?
2. My ram is happy in my tank, the only one that does pick on it is the female krib. Should I take the ram out? Isn't it a dwarf chiclid just like the krib?
3. I was under the impression to that I had all South American cichlids, I come to find out that the krib is an african, I am going to tell you that I have one female krib, 2 JDs (one is dark the other light), I have one ram(i think he or she is a golden ram), and a jewel fish. I also have a plecomus. What do I have to watch for, I mean, my fish seem happy now, what types of things should I watch for if there are serious compatability problems, or should I eliminate some of my fish?

I have landscaping rocks, well pebbles on the bottom of the tank, and I also bought 5 bigger landscaping rocks which I put in there too..... I have to caves in there, or little crevises that the fish can hide in if they want to, and 6 plants..... not sure whatelse to tell you....

I am sorry if I offended you, I am here to get some advise, this is my first really big aquarium, and yes the first time I have had cychlids, any and all advise is helpful and I appreciate it..... thats why I am here...........
 

Acei

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Oct 24, 2005
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The Ram and the Dempsy are both South Americans. The ram is a very mild laid back cichlid that will max out at about 2 inches. The dempsy will become very belicose with age and much much larger then the ram. The ram will probobly end up being a snack when the dempsy gets larger. The Jewels and the kribs are east africans. Jewels are notorious for not getting along with anything. I've tried them in a number of different setups and all was good to start with, but in time the jewel killed everthing. My advice to you is to decide what type of cichlids you want to keep first. South Americans, Central Americans, East Africans, or African Rift Lake Cichlids. Then pick a fish out of that catagory and we can help you build a community around them. I'd advise spending a little time looking over some of these links to help you determine what you want. Cichlids are wonderful, but there is a lot of research that has to go into setting up a compatable community.

A nice article on Rams
Jewel Cichlids
A Good Dempsey Article
Some info on your krib
A great site for cichlid research

Basicly what I'm saying is that the fish you have won't be compatable for long. Once you read about each of them, decide which ones you like the most and we'll try to help you design the tank around them. Hope that helps...
 

Oct 31, 2005
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Wow, thanks for the advice, I will look over those articles now, and will let you guys know what I decide.... :), once I pick something then yes I will definately tell you what it is and ask for suggestions as to what would be better tank mates for it.
 

wayne

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Oct 22, 2002
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Hey , you don't have a tank full of cichlids! Unfortunately I've seen people say it and mean it. You have some decent questions but the answers won't be clear....
1. What cichlids? 1 or 2 oscars, managuense, 20 mbuna or I've kept a lot (60 +) of true dwarfs in a tank that size. How many depends on what.

2.Rams really are at the bottom end of the size and aggression scale. I wouldn't keep them in there, you are very unlikely to 'be lucky'.

3. The krib and jewel are west african, the JD is Central American and the ram is from Venezuela originally. Only one of these is S American , and none are amazonian. The satanoperca was/is S American and amazonian.

Generally life gets tough if you try to mix up different sizes and continents of cichlids.

I would decide what you want to keep, and then work out what will practically go with it. What do you like best?
 

Oct 31, 2005
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I really really like the fish that died, Satanoperca leucosticta, but if they are hard to keep maybe I will try to keep some others first then add one to my tank after..... question to all of you who know....

If I want a frontosa, which of the fish that I have will do well with one? Please tell me good news as I do not want to start completely new...lol

And will the frontosa and the Satanoperca leucosticta be compatible later on in life...?? Anyone know?
 

Acei

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Oct 24, 2005
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Frontosas are beautiful fish, but unfortunately, they wouldn't be compatable with anything you have. They are from an East African Rift Lake called Lake Tanganyika. They get very large and for the most part are quite peaceful. They like to be kept in colonies. In order to keep a nice colony of this fish your current 90 gallon would be too small. I'd recommend nothing smaller then a 6 foot tank for these guys. If you really like the Satanoperca/Geophagus leucosticta, I'd keep it with other Eartheater species, or possibly Some smaller pike cichlids. Blue Acars might go well with them as well as some of gymnogeophagus species.



You also may want to take a look at this link it has some nice 'cookie-cutter' setups designed to help beginners get the right mix for their first tank. This link if for a 75 gallon rather then your 90 gallon, but you could easily adjust for that by adding an additional fish or two...

75 Gallon Cookie Cutter Set-ups