Hill stream loach

Stevie

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Hi All.
I was just wanted to as if any one has info/advice on Hillstream loaches. I want to keep one in a 120ltr tank that has an assortment of fish ( bristel nose plec, sucking loach, pictis, shepra tretas, clown loach and a few others). Would he get along ok with the plec? I hear they like cool water what is a good temp for him but would also keep my other fish happy?
NoDeltaH2O I would very much like to hear from you. :)
 

NoDeltaH2O

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Here I am.

Let me first give you all the relavent links on them that I used to research them myself. Hold on a second while I get them. I'll be right back...
 

NoDeltaH2O

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Here is the species index page from loaches.com:
http://www.loaches.com/species_pages/beaufortia_kweichowensis.html
Mia Woodman's page on them:
http://www.petresources.net/fish/cyprinid/bea_kwe.html
Bob's page:
http://www.bobd.lunarpages.com/loaches/breeding.html


DIET:
Now about what I have personally learned keeping these guys:
It is best to have LOTS of algae to keep them happy. Their preferred food is the microscopic organisms that live IN the algae, so get plenty of smooth rocks and grow algae on them. You kinda' have to throw caution to the wind here and focus on algae production instead of algae eradication. Scary, I know. With high enough light and a little bit of excess nutrients you can get rocks covered in a couple months. If you already have the loaches now, but no algae, they will eat lots of regular foods given the opportunity. I feed mine frozen bloodworms and frozen brine shrimp. They'll also eat sinking algae wafers. I stick the algae wafers to the rock they hang out on so it won't float away int he current, and they go right to it. They DO NOT compete well for food with other fish, as they're very shy. I give them the frozen foods with a turkey baster. I just put the tip of the baster on the rock right in front of them and gently squeeze some food to the tip and they come for it. It's a slow process, but it keeps them happy, so it's worth it. They also eat soft green blanched vegetables like spinach and kale.

Water Preference:
They do PREFER cooler water, and I have no heater in the tank they're in, so it goes down to 68 in the winter, but does get up to 78 in the summer. Slow changes are ok for most fish, and a seasonal fluctuation of 10 degrees is not too much for them to handle. Since they are from fast moving streams, they are used to a high oxygen environment, so a powerhead with a venturi is ideal for them, as it will keep oxygen levels high in the water. You CANNOT have too much water flow for these guys, as they will spend their time in the area with the swiftest current given the chance. If you go with a planted tank, then you run into contradictory objectives, as aeration from a venturi is generally bad for plants as it drives off the CO2. I do not think they care so much about hardness, unless you are into breeding them. They do not like pH below 6.5 and CO2 levels above 120ppm. Fortunately these are extreme values you are likely not to encounter. I always like to experience the extremes at least once just to see how far I can go so that you don't have to.

Temperment:
My first loaches of this kind were this type, and now I have this type. Both have the same general requirements though. Both kinds are very peaceful and also not bothered by any other fish. I have them in with RTS, amano shrimp, ghost shrimp, SAE, CAE, otos, minnows, glass catfish, and a few zipper loaches. They are an amazingly interesting fish to have, especially when they slide around on the glass walls of the tank so that you can see their hearts beating. Do not clean all the glass walls in your tank as they will constantly forage on the algae that grows there. Don't overclean the tank.

TankMates:

I think they would get along with the pleco, but I do think the pleco would eat up all the algae beds that these guys need and enjoy. I had my hillstream loaches for about 6 months when I decided to put my "candystripe" pleco in with them. I guess the pleco is actually a clown pleco. He was really smalla t the time, only an inch and a half long, but he decimated the algae covered rocks that the loaches fed off of. Within a week the tank was too clean, so I moved the pleco out to another tank which has remained spotless ever since his addition.
 

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Stevie

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Thanks NoDeltaH2O I knew you would be on the money. *twirlysmi

I have not got one yet as they are hard to get in Ireland, I cant wait, cause they look fantastic. I might get rid of the bristel nose altogether as I only got him to keep the alge (I think thats how you spell it :confused: ) under control.

The temp should be ok as my tank hardly ever goes over 27C.

Which do you think is the best looking and easiest to come by, also how much would you pay for one?
Thanks
 

NoDeltaH2O

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I like the 2nd kind listed in my previous thread for appearance. Their spotted pattern has a chameleon ability so that when they are on a black rock they turn almost all black, when on a yellow rock, they turn almost completely yellow. The 1st kind I listed did not change their colors this drastically. They are NOT easy to come by, even in BIG superstores that carry lots of variety in their inventory. I have only found them 2 times in the US, in different stores, and the next time I went back they were gone. There is a place to buy them online that I used with excellent results. THeir site is:
http://www.aquariumfish.net/catalog_pages/sharks_eels_loaches/loach_butterfly.htm
They ship them quickly and all arrived safely.
 

Lotus

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Well, that site isn't terribly easy to navigate. The section called Loach Almanac is a really good care/feeding guide (mostly focused on botias), but you wouldn't know unless you looked :eek:

There are a bunch of people on the forum that are very knowlegable about all kinds of loaches, if you ever have some really specific questions. Quite a few of them collect/keep/breed hillstreams of various types.
 

Stevie

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Thanks guys!! *SUPERSMIL

I had a good read through the links you gave me, some of it was pretty heavy stuff!!
Im going to give away the bristel nose plec I have to make a little more room for the hillstream, I only got the plec to eat alge and if the loach will eat it, and look better while doing so than the plec will have to move :eek:
I was thinking about leaving some smooth small rocks in a bucket out side to let alge build up on it for the loach to eat, is this a good idea?

I cant by one on line as I dont have a credit card :( So now its just a matter of finding a shop that sells one!!!!