Ill Betta

Nov 25, 2010
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Joe...my half moon betta is ill. I at first thought he had a swim bladder infection, but after treating with the betta fix I got hes not doing any better. He isn't dieing either (hes been ill for about 2 weeks...so I figured if hes gonna hold on, I'll try to help him).He seems to have trouble staying upright....and has some trouble swimming...he also has something shiny around his gills...any ideas would help...I also have some other stuff I am going to try that is supposed to treat a wide range of bacterial infections. *thumbsdow
 

achase

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Feb 1, 2010
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Shiny like gold flakes? It could be velvet. Does your betta look bloated at all because then it could be constipation.
Although the trouble with staying upright sounds like a problem with the swim bladder. I don't think betta fix would treat swim bladder disease but I could be wrong.
Check out this website on betta illness: betta diseases

A picture of the betta would be helpful!
 

Meleemaker

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Nov 17, 2010
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Sounds like he has a infection(such as velvet or ich). I would suggest doing a 50% water change with the correct water(of same water param). When you get that taken care of, prepare another 50% water change for the day after. Treat the tank with salt like you should be doing(FW salt not table salt) except maybe try to increase the amount of salt by a little bit. Try to avoid feeding for a day or two. That would hopefully fix his swim bladder that it sounds like he may have.

If you knew anything about swim bladders or swim bladder disorders, they usually are a result in overfeeding. If you cut out food for a couple days, he should perk up enough. If he is so pathetic he cant eat when you do feed him, tweezers can hold the food near his mouth. Also if you are feeding live foods, stop it. At least move to frozen foods, or even better freeze dried foods.

Pictures HELP
 

achase

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When in doubt about sickness water changes are always good. Same temperature and use water conditioner.

What are your current readings for ammonia, nitrate and nitrite. Those readings would also help with diagnose.
 

bassbonediva

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Oct 15, 2009
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I'm wondering the same thing, OC. I would love to be able to feed my kids live foods, but there aren't any available where I live. We do frozen bloodworms and brine shrimp and they go nuts over them (and I haven't had any problems with illness because of them).

I know if freeze-dried foods aren't prepared properly, they can cause constipation and bloat.
 

Meleemaker

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Nov 17, 2010
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As to the live worm feeding, brown worms especially carry a disease that is very easy for bettas to catch. Well when I say disease i mean internal parasites. Those are the nasty little buggers that you cant always see and can make betta go loco. The nasties of them is consumption, and it IS contagious to humans (your little finned budy will give it to you). And unfortunantly you cant cure consumption. There is no known cure and nothing has ever stopped it. Its usually about a 5 day death too....

There is also a direct link with over-feeding BBS or BS in betta fry. I know this is true, and im assuming it would be the same for the parents so if your feeding him brine shrimp a lot(every other day or more im guessing) it would cause SBD

Faith has a great site that I memorized when I was getting into bettas waiting eagerly for my tank to cycle. You can check her site out here betta diseases. It has everything on what conditions, disease diagnoses, FAQs, and anything else a betta wuld need. And in my year or two of betta keeping, I have not found anything incorrect. But you cant expect your fish to act just like hers would.

But live is somthing they go loco over, frozen is somthign else they love. Freeze dried is the third favorite. Mine never eat pellets anymore but they love their color enhancing flakes! Live carries more disease, frozen has less, and freeze dried has less still.
 

Nov 25, 2010
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I've only had him for about a month...and he really doesn't seem bloated...in fact he's rather thin. He always eats when I offer it to him but no more than an few pellets(like 3) I'm due to change his water after the betta fix stuff I used and I just changed it about 9 days ago...I'd be very surprised if it's the water quality. I did see him make a few bubbles today which he hasn't done since I got him so I am hopeful he's getting better. Will defently try the salt and keep close watch on the water conditions. Thanks so much
 

Feb 27, 2009
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I would love to be able to feed my kids live foods, but there aren't any available where I live.
I culture several live foods and have never had an illness or disease due to feeding them. Vinegar eels, microworms and blackworms (tiny, very small, medium size) are soooooooo easy to culture at home. Nothing brings out the colors and natural behavior more than live food. I've been keeping fish for 30+ years and seldom feed 'commercial' foods to my fish.

Just my two cents.
OC
 

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As to the live worm feeding, brown worms especially carry a disease that is very easy for bettas to catch. Well when I say disease i mean internal parasites. Those are the nasty little buggers that you cant always see and can make betta go loco. The nasties of them is consumption, and it IS contagious to humans (your little finned budy will give it to you). And unfortunantly you cant cure consumption. There is no known cure and nothing has ever stopped it. Its usually about a 5 day death too....
What are 'brown worms?' What disease or condition that a betta can catch from the 'brown worms' is transmittable to humans? What is 'consumption?'
 

Meleemaker

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What are 'brown worms?' What disease or condition that a betta can catch from the 'brown worms' is transmittable to humans? What is 'consumption?'
Brown worms are a segmented worm that are often sold in petstorers for betta. These worms may contract TB and when fed to Mr Betta he may contract it with a lot of stress present(new tank/water change/sick). I believe that brown worms are a generic name for them.

They can catch internal parasites from improper care of the worms.

Consumption is the fancy 1800s word for tuberculosis. You can google it and find all kinds of information. Bettas will rarely contract this disease, and you need to have a very piss poor imune system when dealing with a sick betta to contract it though besides im pretty sure there is a cure for it in humans, but i aint no doc

A great website with some of this information is found here....Betta Talk-Disease. Faith has a very good site with lots of information on betta spendens. This is another article on feeding them and her experiences Betta Feeding. Here is another site with reference to brown worms fish food, pet fish food, tropical fish food, betta food, goldfish food, tetra fish food. Hopefully that clears cloudy water up for you. One last website I found with Aquarium Guys http://www.aquariumguys.com/betta-fish-care-article.html
 

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I've never heard of 'brown worms' and can only think it may be Lumbriculus variegatus (commonly called the California Black Worm). It is a segmented worm and looks redish-brownish in color. I did find a few references to the 'brown/black worm.'

As for getting a disease from them, not if they come from a good source and are kept PROPERLY. The sellers will tell you to keep them in the refrigerator, rinsing them with cool water daily to flush out those that have died. This is just to encourange you to keep buying them.

If you take a healthy batch of the worm and keep it in a CYLCED aquarium, they will reproduce and provide months (or if not overharvested) a perpetual food supply for your fish, provided you treat their tank as you would fish (water changes, feed them something healthy, etc).

If fed diseased worms (that have been kept in the refrigerator and are slowly dying day by day) or any other unhealthy food to your fish, then it will lower your fish's immune system. California black worms do not, however, 'carry' Mycobacterium marinum (fish tuberculosis or fish TB) from what I have read. If your fish DO have the disease, it CAN be transmitted to humans, but as a skin rash, and is easily cured in humans. Fish Tuberculosis is in no way related to Pulminary Tuberculosis (AKA consumption as it was once called) in humans. Treatment is not completly known to be effective in fish, but 5 days until death is not true. Some have had tank for years with it, but are careful not to add new fish to it, as those that survived are carriers.

I did read over the links you provided, but do not put much faith in what is said about feeding live foods. One says that bloodworms are mosquito larve which is not true (bloodworms are a larve of the midge fly).
 

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