Male rams died, High ph

blue_ram

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Jun 21, 2008
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The male ram I had in quarantine because of the big pink bubble ont he side of his head that he got after his girlfriend tried to eat his eye out just died.

I had him in a 10g with a uv sterlizer and force fed him some First Bites for a few days. I does the tank with Ick Attack to stop his injury from fungusing, but it started fungusing anyway.

He started getting much better and was swimming around and eating regular food again after about a week. he woudl greet me at the tank when he saw me and was in general getting to be his old self again.

I dosed the tank with melafix to see if that would help heal his wound and stop the fungus. He died within an hour of dosing the tank.

Would he have died anyway with such a bad injury/infection? Was it false hope that he was actually getting better and woudl make it? Did the melafix kill him? I was going to give him a meth blue bath to take care of the fungus and he really liked the blue water, but thought the mellafix woudl be better than disturbing him and aggravating his injury by catching him and putting him in the speciman container.

My other male ram also died, he was in teh 20g with his girlfriend and they both turned pale and he was hiding, they he started hangign out at the top of the tank. I did water changes and gave the tank a good gravel vaccuming and put in a corner filter to help clear floating debris. The tank cleared up nicely and he stopped hanging out at the top of the tank, but went back to hiding at the bottom. He then died shortly after the last water change. At first I though maybe the rocks in the tank had started leeching something and tested the water. PH was at 7.8, the tank used to be at 6.8. The 40g planted still had the ph at 7.2 and both tanks get similiar maintenace and sue the same treated tap water. Anyway, to make a long story short, I discovered my tap water which used to be slightly acidic to neutral now is at 7.8.

Is 7.8 too high for the rams? Did that kill him? Could this be the cause of my cories fin and tails getting ragged in that tank? Will my new hard alkaline water kill my other fish and plants that are used to and need soft slightly acidic water? Will RO and RO Right be needed?
 

Mercury

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Jun 11, 2008
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Was the water straight from your tap 7.8, or your tank water? I think you'll have to condition your water before you add it to the tank. 7.8 is too high for Rams. How long were they in the new water for? I accidentally had rams in very hard water, 7.8 pH and they were always displaying stress colors, but they didn't die, but it was only a few days. It would also be a good idea to identify the cause of your tap water's change.

Ragged? You mean like torn? I've heard that rams beating on cories is really common, though I've never had that problem.
 

blue_ram

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Jun 21, 2008
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Was the water straight from your tap 7.8, or your tank water? I think you'll have to condition your water before you add it to the tank. 7.8 is too high for Rams. How long were they in the new water for? I accidentally had rams in very hard water, 7.8 pH and they were always displaying stress colors, but they didn't die, but it was only a few days. It would also be a good idea to identify the cause of your tap water's change.

Ragged? You mean like torn? I've heard that rams beating on cories is really common, though I've never had that problem.

7.8 straight from the tap, but also in the containers I use to age and condition the water. Several back to back 10% water changes over a period of days quickly brought the tank to the same level as the tap.
 

Lotus

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My experience with rams is that they don't do well with medications. They also tend to rarely recover from sickness. It seems that once they're on a downward spiral, it's the end for them.

To be honest, in terms of water quality, it's more the hardness of the water than the pH. Additionally, they don't tolerate nitrates or water that's otherwise less than perfect.
 

blue_ram

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Jun 21, 2008
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My experience with rams is that they don't do well with medications. They also tend to rarely recover from sickness. It seems that once they're on a downward spiral, it's the end for them.

To be honest, in terms of water quality, it's more the hardness of the water than the pH. Additionally, they don't tolerate nitrates or water that's otherwise less than perfect.

He seemed to like the methylene blue and the Ich Attack didn't bother him. He didn't like the maracyn and the mealfix apprantly killed him.

The methylene blue works wonders, unfortunately because I have ammonia in my tap water, I cannot put a fish in it for more than a few days because it kills the biological filter and ammonia builds up quickly.

GH and KH tested at 6.7 in both the 40 and the tap water. I believe GH in the 20 where the ram died was 10.5.

Water paremeters seemed fine with 0,0,0 ammonia, nitrites and nitrates.

I did notice the ludwigia which had grown about 6 inches per month prior had stopped growing in the past week or so.

Oddly, the two male rams I got from Big Als were fairly large and were only $3.99 died. The 4 females I got from Pet Supermarket for $8.99 each are still thriving in the same water and they were tiney when I got them.
 

blue_ram

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Jun 21, 2008
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Florida
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Whatever causes the high ph in the water is removed with a cheap brita filter. That brings the water to < 6 ph.

Is there a way to test for calcium, phophates and other stuff.