Otocinclus In An African Cichlid Tank?

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Hello. I was wondering if anyone here has had success with keeping Otocinclus catfish in an African cichlid tank -- mbunas, to be precise. I am considering getting some to hasten the removal of diatoms from my two-month-old aquarium. Being as they do hail from South America, where the pH level is considerably lower than Lake Malawi, would they be able to withstand a pH of 8.0 or higher? I only have a 45 gallon tank, so I am considering this species due to its small size.

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oto's aren't the most hardy fish ever... and the difference in pH and stuff will most likely kill them off early... Also I think they will get eaten...I know some people who have plecos in a African tank... but they too shouldn't be there since they aren't from Africa.. I don't really know of a clean up fish that will thrive in there.
 

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oto's aren't the most hardy fish ever... and the difference in pH and stuff will most likely kill them off early... Also I think they will get eaten...I know some people who have plecos in a African tank... but they too shouldn't be there since they aren't from Africa.. I don't really know of a clean up fish that will thrive in there.
You can keep numerous species of catfish with africans. Synodontis sp., Rapheal Catfish, Pictis Cats, etc.
 

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I am going through the same think with my 150 g Mbun a. Diatoms all over. I am just doing the glass cleaning myself. Trying to decide on how much the lights should be on as well for the right balance. I think this is the first tank I never kept some algae eater in.

My ph and hardenss is the same no matter what fish I keep. I have kept ottos succesfully so the PH and hardness I feel doesn't matter too much..but the Africans would kill them I think.
 

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Hello Matt. Well, I just wrote up the following and will probably be placing it on my own messageboard as well. I am beginning to believe that a significant change has been going on in my tank over the past several days. I suspect that the diatoms are starting to die off, probably because they are beginning to deplete the silicates that are in the tank, which is also being helped by the fact that I have conducted several water changes over the past week, the latest one -- about 50% of the water -- being performed about an hour ago.

Not only have the diatoms been looking sickly, and have been peeling off of the rocks more easily, but the water column itself has been filled for several days now with an abundance of minute particles, which have formed a thin white layer on the rocks as they settle. The water is NOT cloudy, or chalky white, it is just full of these minute particles, even with the filters running constantly; and I suspect that the particles are actually dead and/or dying diatoms, which do in fact float in the water column in the wild. Diatoms can float, rise or sink, depending on whether or not environmental conditions are favorable to their growth. They can even lay dormant until environmental conditions improve.

There is a widespread myth which states that diatom blooms are primarily related to the light level and the length of the daily photo period. However, according to what I have read, regardless of the level of light, and the length of the photo period, diatoms will bloom if the level of silicates in an aquarium is high, because they use the silicates to form the two-sided, unusually-shaped membrane which surrounds their cell.

If one uses sand, limestone, coral rock, dolomite, or related materials in an aquarium, then chances are that initially, the silicate level will be high, which, as I said, will be extremely conducive to the growth of diatoms. For example, being as I live on an island, and my substrate is sand, and my tank is full of limestone, and our local water is hard and alkaline, it is no wonder that I have had a major diatom bloom.

What some people don't realize is that even if the nitrate level is consistently low, as is the case with my tank -- it is always 0 to 12.5 mg/l, which is good -- they will STILL have problems with diatoms, because, as I said, it is the presence of silicates in the aquarium on which they thrive. Nitrate is just more fuel for the fire.

Some aquarists note that once true green algae begins to flourish in an aquarium, it will compete for food sources with the diatoms, and will eventually win over the diatoms. While there is probably some truth to this belief, I am still of the opinion that it is the silicates that diatoms need the most. To reiterate my point, no matter how high the nitrate level may be, I don't think that diatoms will flourish if there are no silicates present in the tank.

Concerning light, a high light level, and an extended photo period, only contribute more to the diatom problem, but reducing the light level, or the length of the photo period will not eliminate the diatoms. You need to work on eliminating the silicates from the aquarium; and frequent water changes is the best way to do that, which is also the easiest and cheapest way to rid nitrate from a tank as well.

These are just my personal opinions, and everyone is free to disagree, as some aquarists here will probably do. :)

Regardless, I hope that the above information helps. Just test it and see if it is true or not.
 

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I find it amazing that recently..I told my wife..jees what the heck is floating in the water? I have not fed these guys all day..where is the junk comming from. Must be as you said above. The diatoms.

I have always had brown diatoms on every tank I have had to a certain point. Eventually it will shift to green or not be as bad as it is now.

A water change is due tomorrow on this tank..so hopefully it helps .

Thanks for sharing your particles with me..as I now realize that si what is floating around in there recently.
 

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Hello again Matt. Just to reiterate a point that I made above, what I wrote is just a personal theory regarding the millions of floating particles. I don't know with 100% certainty that they are diatoms. They could be something else, such as a bloom of microbial aquatic organisms. The reason why I say this, is because I constantly see several of my mbunas pecking at them and apparently eating them. Whatever the particles are, they don't appear to be harming my fish in any way, or even stressing them out.
 

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I'm sure that someone somewhere on a message board has done some research on diatoms that could back you up on this. But to me, this makes since. I've always heard that diatoms feed off of silicates, so once they start to deplete their food source they begin to decline in numbers. I'm sure that they use other nutrients in the water as well, and once their numbers start to decline, this is what would allow other algae a chance to gain a foot hold.

I too have noticed the floating particles in a diatom ridden tank twords the end of their lifespan.
 

#10
Hello Orion. Thanks for the confirmation. I am still debating about the nature of these minute particles, and they are literally in the millions. I've noticed some sticking to the front pane of the aquarium, and I have tried to determine whether or not they are actually moving. However, due to the regular water flow caused by the filters, it is hard to say if they are moving independently. I suppose I could temporarily turn off my filters to find out. I was hoping that the 50% water change would reduce their numbers, but it appears to have had little effect. They are still everywhere.