Quarantine tank

fishkid64

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Hey, i made a quarantine tank, but i don't have a heater, but i couldn't leave my Male Red-top Ice Blue cichlid so currently he is living in a 70 degree tank for 2 days, how long can he live in there? And i do plan on getting a heater tomorrow, will this be okay, i mean he's swimming around and eating! so...
 

brian1973

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IMO you should be ok, he may be stressed by the lower temp, but if you r getting a heater tomorrow you should be alright as long as the temp doesnt drop anymore. But I am still new to this so definately get some more experienced opinions.

Why did you have to move him from the other tank?
 

SinisterKisses

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is the 10g big enough to be a permanent home for him if you decide to keep him.
Absolutely not.


He should be fine, but get that heater in there like yesterday. He's beat to snot already and been moved into a new tank, which means he's totally stressed as is, and the cold water will stress him out more. Cold water will hinder his healing, so definitely get the heater tomorrow.
 

brian1973

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thought it was to small but i came along a care site after googling that said min. tank size 10g...I am thinking that he bought the tank the other night after originally posting..if a 20 or 30 would hold him permantly why not go that route and skip the 10g all together for now. If your on a limited budget then think about buying equipment that can be used in a bigger tank instead of outfitting a 10g and then deciding to keep him and having to cme up with the cash for bigger items.

I am not sure what size tank these require though ,an internet search came up with a minimum of 10 to 20g
 

brian1973

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So if one needs that many gallons he has way overstocked his current tank anyway?

So should he thin out the tank?

I did some research and all the sites for M. greshakei say 75gal is needed, seems a bit excessive for a 6in. fish but I am learning here to, they also state they are extremely agressive so what would you recommendation be?

sorry i google care requirments for Kenyi and it give the 10 gal for single fish...it is the first link that came up
Fish and Aquatic Invertebrates » Freshwater Fish » Cichlid - Kenyi Main Page
 

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fishkid64

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thanks for the replies, first the Greshiki is not going to be living in the 15 gallon tank permanatly once he's better he will go back. I will also be getting rid of the Kenyi in my 55 gallon tank. and yes after i get ready and eat breakfast today i will be going out and getting him a heater.

P.S. I was told to overstock my Mbuna tank to keep aggression down, now i may have been wrong, but that is what i've been told
 

TabMorte

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Fishkid,

Other people have said they've been told to over stock aggressive fish to 'keep aggression down' which kind of boggles my mind. What ever fish store person told you that I would never ever list to them again. They obviously have never actually had a fish tank. Not that I keep those kind of fish but it just goes against all experience I've ever had with territorial fishes.

Sinisterkisses there may have some advice on what to do to keep aggession down though that isn't going to crowd the fish.
 

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SinisterKisses

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He's actually right. Overstocking mbuna to keep aggression down is done all the time - all my mbuna tanks are always overstocked. Only works with mbuna and a handful of other species though. So unless you've kept that kind of fish before, it's best not to go off about how everyone who tells others that exact bit of information is an idiot. It's not just fish store people telling them that, it's also very experienced mbuna keepers with years of experience. So my very educated, experienced advice is to do exactly what he's done - overstock your mbuna tank. You just have to play around with numbers and species until you've got a mix that works. Getting rid of that kenyi is a very good start.

brian, 99.9% of information on the internet is ridiculously wrong or just plain stupid, lol. So no, a kenyi absolutely, definitely could NOT live in a 10gal tank, nor could a greshakei. Most people will go so far as to tell you a kenyi should have at least a 75gal tank due to the crazy aggression.
 

TabMorte

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I stand corrected!

But if it's the best way to keep them isn't it not really... overstocking but proper stocking?

I was thinking about cichids when we get the new place (with it's much more room) but clearly more research is in order!
 

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brian1973

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Ok..this thread is getting of track from his original question but I am trying to learn and I am sure Tab, if she is plannig on keeping these fish in the future might like to know How does overstocking keep aggression down? I can see Tabs point that putting a bunch of aggressive fish in one tank would increase there aggression.
 

TabMorte

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Intutitively that was my thought! But honestly the kinds of territorial fish I've kept are little tank fish not big tank fish. :)

I am curious why the higher numbers keep the aggression down. Does it spread it out over many targets rather then having one fish always bully and one fish always get picked on or something?
 

SinisterKisses

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Yep, essentially. Mbuna are "harem" fish, meaning they need to be kept in groups. You can't pair these fish - 1 male and 1 female would likely end up with one dead female. Generally you need at least 1 male and 2 females, often more like 1 male, 3 or 4 females for some species because of aggression. So overstocking helps prevent serious aggression because instead of having one or two "targets" for an aggressive, dominant fish to pick on, there are a whole bunch of other fish...basically, they each get just a little bit of that aggression, not enough to really do damage or make life miserable, rather than one or two fish getting all of it and probably ending up beat to death.

It's still a matter of trial-and-error a lot of the time though. Simply overstocking with whatever species won't work...you have to research on what mbuna are compatable with what others, how many of each species, and kind of play around until you've got a mix that works well together.

As I said, overstocking to minimize aggression only works with mbuna and a couple other (namely African) species, because of their type of aggression. You certainly couldn't follow this logic with most other species.
 

TabMorte

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Intresting. Thanks for the information Sinisterkisses! That's totally the opposite of every other aggressive fish I've ever met and good to know!