rams with ick and angels with ?

[Endl98]

ok so. ive seemed to have stopped the instant death thing i had going on in my tank. everything just seemed to die for no reason. params were all good . i removed the texas holey rock. and everything that had died before is doing well now. rams , cardinals and so on.

but now my new rams have ick, ive been treating them in the 10g , for 2 weeks. with maracide malacite green.
now my angels have some sort of whitish coating on them that you can only see from a angle. so im putting them in the 10g , from what the lfs told me its a protozone like ick but not ick or velvet. treat with malacite green.

has anyone heard of the angel thing?

ive now gone from fish killer to just a fish disease center. i cant win.

at least the apistos and swordtails are doing good.

one gourami had gotten some sort of fin rot and a funny looking red sore on his gill. i QT'd him and treated with melafix. and he is better.
but this stuff is driving me crazy.

 

[Lotus]

It sounds to me like the fish store has diagnosed your angels' problem as slime coat disease. It is a protozoan problem, and malachite green should treat it. I have no idea if it has been correctly diagnosed, though. Are their eyes clouded over too?

Is there a lot of chasing going on in your tank? My guess is that your high nitrites or ammonia (or whatever it was you had) is having some long-term effects on your fish. It would help if you posted your parameters, too. It sounds like you either have water quality problems or incompatible fish in your tank.

Have a look in the sticky for some links to disease diagnosis sites.

 

[Fuzz16]

medications should be your last resort. it really messes with the fish. try upping the tamperture to 80-85. itll higher thier metablolism so youll have to feed them a bit more, but it should help. along with a lot of water changes.

ick is like the chicken pox. nobody really knows why its caused. just some bacteria. its said once they have it they cant get it again. so hopefully they all pull through

 

[Lotus]

I would disagree with upping the temperature for an unknown disease. Along with increasing the metabolism of the fish, it can also increase the rate of growth of the bacteria/protozoan/fungus, which isn't necessarily a good thing.

Ich is a protozoan, not a bacteria. Its lifecycle is very well known and documented. Fish can certainly get it more than once if they're kept in stressful conditions. Chicken pox is a virus, and generally exposure to one strain of a virus will give that person immunity to the same strain the second time around. I'm not sure what the parallel is here between a virus and a protozoan.

 

[Endl98]

lotus , the angels are starting to get a coat on ther eyes and now it looks like their skin is peeling.? im treating with malacite green.

the rams all died , AGAIN. im not buying anymore.

my water params

are 0 amm
0 nitrites
and almost 0 nitrates.its the lightest hint of off yellow.the plants are eating it all up.
hardness is down to about 10.from 20
ph is 7.2 , the holey rock is all gone.

ive just recently cleaned the whole tank and filter , not the eco or the lb or fluval noodles. ive watched for spikes twice a day , morn and night. didnt have any swings.

why im having so many problems is beyond me. the only meds i have been using has been in the qt tank.

when all the fish were dieng my water params were all good. the first set of rams i think died of gill flukes. this time they died of ick.

 

[Endl98]

the fish in the 65g are 2 angels 3 inch in size.
2 dwarf gourami's
2 apistos
1 swordtail
1 red wag platy or mollie
1 dwarf chocolate /yellow pleco
3 really small usd cats
3 otto's
1 pond snail.

in the 10g
3 rams, died of ick
now 6 cardinals, some died after the rams, no ick. 1 died after i put the angels in last night. i guess stress?

the only ones fighting were the rams ,only a bit over some territory on the 10g. and it has hiding spots.

the fishfarmacy says its Chilodonella by descrition.
also the lfs said to do a saltwater solution dip. i dont know if i should trust that one or not.

 

[Mahamotorworks]

This is what I just found.

Tropical Aquarium Fish Diseases - Chilodonella

FishVet, dedicated to improving aquatic health. - Chilodonella

The first agrees with the salt dip. The second reccomends a commerical product made by them, and mentions that a temp change wont do anything.

I would try the Salt dip. The worst that can happen is that you loose a fish that will probably die anyway.

Best of luck

MAHA

 

[Lotus]

My book recommends either an ich med or a formalin-based med for Chilodonella. Many ich meds have both malachite green and formalin in them.

To be honest, rams don't take well to any kind of medication. I wouldn't put them in anything but a tank that's been running disease-free for more than six months. Even then, they're very picky.