rock sucking ???

missnikki

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Feb 13, 2011
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I've had 2 fish die in the last two days - freshwater 60 gallon - doing 25 percent water change once a week - however I heard I need to suck the rocks using some kinda pump to get extra crap outta the rocks when I clean the tank ... is this true? Do I need to suck the rocks everytime I clean ??? Is this why the fish are dying?

PH and temp are fine .... no signs of diseases that I can see ...
 

Mar 26, 2011
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Yep, you need a "gravel vac". It's a clear plastic tube. One end is skinny and one is fat. It works by siphoning water out of your tank. The nitrates that build up and harm your fish, after your tank is cycled, come from the poop which settles into the gravel of your tank. You need to use the gravel vac to get the poop out.

Just changing water with a bucket won't get rid of the nitrates. It's like airing out your house if it smells, but not actually cleaning anything. As soon as you close the windows, the smell comes back.
 

aakaakaak

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Sep 9, 2010
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Sucking rocks is better than sucking eggs. ;)

Yes, all the gunk in your tank is in your rocks/substrate. Use a gravel vacuum (10-30 bucks depending on how big) to suck the gunk out of the gravel. I've seen people cheat on this and just buy some clear tubing from Lowes. You just have to be more careful with the rocks and fish that way.

Seriously though, we need to know your numbers for ammonia/nitrites/nitrates, not ph. As long as ph is stable it's irrelevant.
 

missnikki

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Feb 13, 2011
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Okay so here's my issue - the kitchen sink is higher up than the fishtank - my boyfriend says to suck the rocks, the sink needs to be lower than the tank - is this true or will it work no matter where the sink is ??
 

skjl47

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Nov 13, 2010
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Hello; One caution that may not apply to your situation depending on the type of siphon tube you have.

When I siphon with the end of a tube into the gravel, I will pull gravel thru the tube and into the bucket. No matter how careful I am, some gravel exits the bucket with the used water when I empty it. As I have a septic system, I do not pour used tank water down a sink drain. Not only is there the risk of gravel colgging up drains, there is the introduction of tank detritus which can include things like snails or their eggs. I carry the old water outside to pour on the ground. I also use some of the water for houseplants.

You may have the type of siphon with a large end that feeds into a much smaller tube. I have a couple of those. They do not tend to siphon the gravel into a bucket. They are of limited use in a heavily planted tank as there is not enough space between plants to get down into the gravel. With few or no live plants that type should work.

One technique I use in planted tanks is to use a clear tube with an inside diameter somewhat larger than the size of the gravel. I siphon out the gravel with the water and pass it thru a typical fish net. I use a net that can be positioned on the top of my catch bucket. The net collects the gravel which can be dumped back into the tank.

Another technique is to position a quarantine tank (QT) under a main tank and siphon the water and gravel into that. I then use some clean extra gravel to replace that removed from the main tank. Eventually I remove the gravel from the QT and clean it. This has a couple of slight advantages. One turns out to be that the QT will get a regular dose of beneficial bacteria along with the gravel. This also keeps the taste of the QT water similar to that of the main tank for, by my thinking, a smoother transition of new fish into the main tank. (Note- the water in a QT needs regular changes with fresh water the same as any other tank. ) I used this method for a number of years.

A second benefit is an occasional fertilized egg will be siphoned out of the main tank into the QT. If the QT happens to be empty, I have had a few unexpected fry show up in the QT. I also keep some floating plants and snails in a QT which appears to keep the water conditioned (cycled) when no fish are present.