Size of bacteria colony

rohnds

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Apr 23, 2005
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How would one go about finding our or calculating the max potential size of the bacteria colony in your find.

And then if one learns the size of the colony is too small for the fish you are about house, how would one go about increasing the colony size besides adding another filter / filer media or increasing the substrate depth.





Rohn
 

FreshyFresh

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Jan 11, 2013
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My take on that is, with fishless cycling, the BB colony sizes itself based on the size of the tank and the hard-parts it can grow on: Filtration, substrate and decor. It's the combination of growing space in addition to how much you feed it. 1-5ppm ammonia can feed a LOT of BB.

I was able to fully stock my 29gal immediately after fishless cycling. Thing is, definition of "fully stocking" will vary. I suppose you could put 55 small fish in a 55gal if you do proper maintenance on it.
 

Thyra

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My take on this is if your ammonia & nitrite are zero and you have at least some nitrates (10-20pmm) then you know your bacteria colony is big enough for the size of your aquarium.
 

FishDad

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I think its safe to assume that in normal conditions your bacteria colony will adjust itself, safely, based of the bio load. As long as you increase the bio load slowly, you will give the bb time to accomodate. Its worked for me.
 

rohnds

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After reading the article by James E Alleman, Ph. D from university of Purdue, I learned that there are 8 types of nitrifying bacteria. 5 ammonia oxidizer and 3 nitrite oxidizers. Although these bacteria is capable of free swimming but they do thrive under stress. Stress is causing by the nitrifying process. Thus they need a survive to attach themselves.

What does this mean. Volume of water in your aquarium will have absolutely zero effect on the bacteria colony.

So to the bacteria colony then is directly proportional to the surface of the substrate (this is the not the same as the surface area of the bottom of the tank), available surface decors, filters and etc.

Ac coding to Dr. Alleman, bacteria colony will grow as the amount of ammonia (in our case bio load) increases. Thus is there is a limit to the size of the bacteria colony depending on the total surface area available for attachment.

Something to think about.



Rohn
 

rohnds

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Apr 23, 2005
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Wrote my last thread in a hurry.
Here it is after proof reading,

After reading the article by James E Alleman, Ph. D from university of Purdue, I learned that there are 8 types of nitrifying bacteria. 5 ammonia oxidizer and 3 nitrite oxidizers. Although these bacteria is capable of free swimming but they do thrive better when attached to the surface. This is because they do not have to expend a lot of energy to swim when attached and thus they can use all their energy for the oxidation process.

Thus they need to attach themselves to a surface in order to multiply their colony and strive.

What does this mean. Volume of water in your aquarium will have absolutely zero effect on the nitrifying bacteria colony.

So then, bacteria colony is directly proportional to the surface area of the substrate (this is the not the same as the surface area of the bottom of the tank), plus surface area of decors, plus surface area of the filters, plus total surface area of the glass and etc.

According to Dr. Alleman, bacteria colony will grow as the amount of ammonia (in our case bio load) increases. But since the total surface area is a constant in our aquarium (unless you add more substrate or decor). there is a limit to the size of the bacteria colony. Once that limit is reached, bacteria colony will not grow since bacteria have no room to attach themselves.

Yet it possible for the aquarium to hold free swimming bacteria, but these bacteria will expend all their energy swimming and would not have enough energy for oxidation process. And thus useless in nitrifying process.


Something to think about.



Rohn


PS: sorry for double post. I thought I clarify my post.
Would be nice to have the EDIT feature on this forum.