So frustrating/upsetting

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Fishtanks are such emotional things sometimes -- or maybe I'm an emotional weirdo :]

Most of you know my 36 gallon/have seen it and what not, well it is seriously being taken over by red algae/brush algae/beard algae/life destroying algae that you never ever want in your tank ever. Whatever you want to call it.

I've tried asking around on here and what not. I've tried altering the lighting, the CO2, cleaning more/cleaning less, etc. You name it, I did it. I've removed my powerhead and changed the position of my spraybar to have less aeration since that's a prime culprit for that algae. (My older bamboo shrimp died and so it isn't as vital tao have the positioning of that spraybar where it was, I also haven't seen the smaller one in awhile he may have died too.)

I've also cut off every tip of plant that had any signs of it, scrubbed any driftwood that it was growing on. My water parameters are fine, not changing. My CO2 levels are where they should be. Gaah. I have no idea, but it's so super upsetting, I've put so much time and energy into this tank and cannot stand not knowing how to fix it.

I guess we will see within the next few days/week how it's doing...*sigh*

To top it off (excluding the bamboo shrimp) I've had two shrimp (possibly ghost, maybe one amano) and a cherry die. Not sure if it's the algae or what...nothing else has changed. And my two Crystal Red Shrimp died, the berried one either lost her eggs or did have the babies, no sign yet, but they're both dead. I still have some bee shrimp though.

I'm not having tank success right now :(
 

aakaakaak

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Is there a chance that it was your assassin snails that got your shrimp?

I'm still learning all this, but would it be possible to swap your assassins into your 10 gal and take the MTS,Ramshorns and PS and have them clean the algae in the 36?
 

Newman

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i have had that BBA crop up in my 40 gal in the past. only happened once, hasnt happened since. I got it with peroxide. then i got SAEs (but idk if they ever ate any of it, i just felt like getting them lol)
its a really annoying algae >_< but i doubt it was the cause of your shrimp's death. its just an eye sore, nothing more.
 

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I have so much BBA and it's really stressful, so I sympathize. Peroxide might kill the algae for a little while, but I have to use a lot of it and it harms the leaves. Aside from adding SAEs, what fish/invertebrates can I add that will remove it. I'm planning on adding three more cories and two more serpae tetras to the tank, so what do you think would work?

Sorry to hijack this thread. I'm having a similar problem. I'm really sorry to hear about your shrimp.
 

SonofaGun

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I can relate, up until fairly recently I was dealing with an absolutely infurating case of BBA, among others. I managed to get it back under control by using a bleach dip and then adding CO2 to the tank.

As for losing your stock.. I feel you there. Around the same time I was dealing with the algae, I lost three panda cories and two pairs of rams without any sort of change in parameters. More recently I lost 2 male bettas, one from bloat a couple of weeks ago that I had been fighting for ages, and one just this morning who literally went from fine to dead in the matter of half a day. Not to mention 3 neons (though you look at a neon funny and they drop dead) plus a female pearl gourami who I suspected to be "off" since her time of purchase several days ago. Bad enough to lose them when you know what the cause is, even more frustrating to lose them for seemingly no reason at all.

Alas, this too shall pass... I'm off to exchange the gourami and see if the LPS has any nice crowntail boys in stock.. Keep going with it, you'll figure it out soon enough!
 

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I'm so sorry to hear everyone's awful stories! :( At least I'm not alone in all of this. The tank is still looking moderately fine this morning after hacking away half the plants -- luckily it didn't touch any aponogeton species.

We figured my SAE's issue was that I only had one, so maybe he got aggressive with shrimp? No idea. I had Kuhli loaches in there before 3, and saw them eat some shrimp. I have seen assassin snails eat shrimp, right now I only have 1 or 2 in that tank and haven't caught anything bad from them. They also don't harm the nerite. Amano shrimp are also aggressive and have been known to eat other shrimp, but usually only when their diet lacks protein, which mine certainly doesn't, but who knows.

My bamboo shrimp I'm pretty sure was old, since they don't reproduce often (if at all) in public, it's rare to get a young one. My other bamboo shrimp I just saw this morning roaming around :) The two CRS are already pretty sensitive shrimp and I think the chaos I caused from trying to catch the SAE may have disturbed them, or someone ate them? A few ghost shrimp were already sick that I know died, but I saw one yesterday roaming around. And the cherry shrimp death is still unknown.

I'm so glad I haven't lost any fish to the algae like some of you had to go through :( it's such a rude algae. I guess I'll just keep up to date with the progress. @Dylan, I'm not positive if that is the case. I have restricted the CO2 a bit when the Amano shrimp were being affected, I'm pretty sure that was a large reason they were dying back when, so it could be the decrease in CO2 maybe that is causing it to rise. I've read this algae really blossoms on excess CO2 though, so I have no idea. But I'm thinking the less aeration is going to help, I mean my tank was like a giant current.

As of right now water parameters:
CO2 26ppm
NO2: 0ppm
Ammonia: 0ppm
Nitrate: 0.5ppm
pH: 7.4
temperature: 76-78F
lighting schedule: 9am - 7/8pm
 

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@Little, besides SAEs, Amano shrimp are the only other known shrimp to eat that algae, they can be aggressive and they are also pretty sensitive, but with a tank that has been set up for awhile I see no issue. It's just when it comes to the CO2/Oxygen levels.

But I have no idea what else eats that, I know you need to rip it out and try to not let it float because it will replant itself on other things in the tank. And keep any plants or things out of a direct current. I noticed my spraybar holes had the algae in them, because it had that nice flow and all plants that were hit by the spray bar or powerhead had algae whereas the ones that weren't hit didn't have any...
 

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I've never seen amano shrimp at the store but do you think that they'd be okay with my current stock?
Sadly, my corydora is dying. I don't know what's up with him. Nitrate is 10 ppm after a 15% water change, so it couldn't have been much higher than 20 ppm before the change. Maybe it does have something to do with the algae? He swims fine for a few minutes, then he'll be on his back breathing heavily.
You're not alone, Mercedes. We all have trouble once in a while.
 

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I haven't heard of any other shrimp eating it, I'd only heard other people on shrimp forums mention Amano eating it. I've seen my Amano pick at a variety of things in the tank same with the SAE. Ultimately all of my inverts and fish prefer to eat blood worms, flakes or brine shrimp over any algae in the tank, which is one of my largest issues with that algae, nobody wants it.

Also, I've never seen anything pick on my Amanos over other shrimp, the Amanos are like 2" or so compared to everything else being about 1" so maybe that's why. But the recommendation for keeping inverts is to have a complete tank only for them. From my experience I've only had issues with Kuhli loaches, SAEs and I think that is it, picking on shrimp.