What's Happening to my Pleco?

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This is the second pleco I've had that I've seen this happen to, but the first I caught too late. The onset was incredibly sudden this time, as it was the last; yesterday my pleco was happy and healthy, and today I found him at the bottom of the tank with his tail haloed in fungus, his fins tattered and ripped, and many of his scales missing or raw. Sections of scales above the base of his tail look very red. I moved him to a deep hospital tank, to which I added some epsom salt (don't have any aquarium salt on hand), a chunk each of Maracyn and Maracyn Two, and some Fungus Eliminator. I have an unshaded 60 watt lamp set up near the tank as a makeshift heater to keep the water a little warm as well. There is also a small bunch of anacharis in the tank, in which he is currently nestled upside down. He's breathing, but not sucking on the side of the tank.

I included the pictures below to see if anyone can help identify the problem. I searched the forum for similar posts and read a few things about internal parasites, but I thought I'd also mention that he was in a tank with a betta and two black mystery snails (as was the previous pleco who seemed to have died of the same ailment). The betta has always ignored my pleco (my schedule allows me to observe them both during the day and at night, often very late) and the only thing I can say about the snails is that I have seen the pleco attach himself to their shells and recently I've seen him on the side of the tank right next to one of the snails. Is it possible that the snail attached himself to the pleco and caused such damage, so quickly? Like I said, there was no sign of this earlier; I just discovered it tonight.

I apologize for the poor picture quality, but I circled his fungus-covered tail (which looks stubby and broken off at the end, as well as missing fins) and his torn fins to help.

Any idea what might be the problem, and what else I can do?





This picture shows the redness most clearly (not saying much):
 

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It sounds to me like a massive bacterial infection.

You can take a look here to see if anything seems like the same disease: http://www.fishpalace.org/Disease.html

It might be Flexibacter columnaris, info here: http://www.flippersandfins.net/flexibacter.htm

I think treating with Maracyn I and Maracyn II is about the best you can do. Sometimes these infections are very fast once you see symptoms. I hope he makes it. :)
 

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Thanks... I'd actually just finished looking at the disease database in the first link before I discovered your reply! I did find that the pictures of bacterial infection look similar, and the recommendation was "broadrange antibiotics." So I'm pretty much doing that very thing now, like you said, with the Maracyn I and II. But neither the betta in this tank nor the one in the tank where the other pleco died recently show any symptoms. Should I be concerned about contagion and put some fungus eliminator and/or medication in the big tanks as well?

I'm so nervous now about my other fishies, particularly the bettas (and snails, also in the pleco tanks). I have one other pleco in a 10 gallon with two swords, two albino corys, and two danios (one of whom is in a recovery tank himself, and the lessons learned inclued getting several more danios for schooling in the 10 gallon... but I digress!) I'm worried about the pleco in the 10 gallon because I see one red streak in one of his fins, and a little redness around one of his eyes. Dear god, if he's getting this infection too... will I have to treat the entire tank?!

Panic aside, thanks very much for your reply; it gives me a little reassurance that I'm doing all I can :)
 

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If the other pleco is showing symptoms, you might want to put him/her in the hospital tank, too.

Some types of fish are more suceptible to certain diseases than others. Your betta or danios may not get the same thing (but no guarantees). At the least, I would recommend a large water change in the other tanks, and maybe a little Melafix, if you have some around.
 

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Don't have any Melafix, but I suppose (hope) I can pick some up this weekend from a LPS. I actually work at a small pet store and could order some in, but that would take a bit longer than, well, immediately. And I want immediately.

Well, I think I will put the 10 gallon pleco in a hospital tank just to be safe. I'm watching him scooting around as I type and I can see the red from here... doesn't sit well with me.

I'd just about croak if my swords or corys got afflicted; I've got a real soft spot for them, especially Cory and Dora (I know, lame :) ). And my swords have begun to get braver, and have been hovering near the surface lately wiggling their tails--- it's this irresistable little "butt dance" that reminds me of my Labrador when she gets excited. The whole back end wags from side to side. Love it.

Sorry for the gushing, but anyhow, I will get my other pleco out, do that water change and add the Melafix if I can find it... if not, any similar remedies you can recommend?
 

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Update: We did indeed have Melafix at the store, and I brought it home and added it to my last surviving pleco's tank. The slight redness that I saw in him last night has progressed to cover much of his face, and I know now for sure that he's probably developing a bacterial issue of his own. What is plaguing these poor guys? Should I pick up some nitrate and nitrite tests from the store as well?

I'm going to be doing massive water changes and Melafixing in all of my tanks tomorrow... I'm praying that my bettas, danios, corys, swords, and snails are more immune to this horrible plague than my poor plecos have been. I'm hoping I caught this last one's infection early enough; from what I read in the disease database in the link Lotus posted, it looks like it's bacterial, whatever it is.

I'm frustrated because my fish are all in clean tanks with filters. The previous two were in tanks with Small World filters, which are admittedly not of the caliber of a Whisper (which I have on the 10 gallon), but the water in those other tanks is clear and there is little debris in the gravel thanks to the plecos and snails. Now this pleco with the red patches is from the 10 gallon, and that water is absolutely crystal with the Whisper filter on it. I understand that there are many other factors to healthy water and healthy fish, but I'm not familar with what they all are. What could the problem be?
 

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Don't use Epsom Salt!!! Epsom salt is magnesium sulfate not Aquarium salt!

The infection could just have started from something as small as a scrape when the fish was netted you never can tell. All you can do is a water change, medicate and wait it out.
 

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!!! Ok, so epsom salt ISN'T a good idea... yikes. All right, thank you. I've read just the opposite elsewhere, but I'd rather be safe than sorry if I'm being warned against using it now...

Thanks for your reply; gives me hope that I don't actually have an epidemic on my hands, as awful as it is.

Any recommendations for what I should feed my pleco while I'm treating him? There's really no algae in this tank, so how about some pieces of cucumber?
 

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I did that today; not sure why it hadn't occurred to me before. It sure is nice working at a pet store :)

Now I've changed the water in my 10 gallon tank (which this pleco used to be in), and started to treat it with melafix. The instructions said to remove activated carbon, so should I take the cartridge out of my Whisper filter until I'm done dosing?