Too much airation?

Nov 3, 2005
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Is there such a thing as too much airation in a tank? i got a new airator for up to 90gal, im using it in my 10gal until i get my 29gal, its deff much more air thru my air stone now, is it too much?
 

#2
too much airation is where it pushes your fish around too much but that is only if the air bubbles rise in every square inch of the tank. If its just a bubble wand it should be fine. I've heard of some instances where a fish accidently gets killed by a bubble wand but i forgot how it exactly happened. Get one of those adjustment valves and you can change the output to as little as you want.
 

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im not concerned,was just curious, i have the marineland 3000 with dual valves and there adjustable,its good for up to 90gals, i was just curious as to if theres such thing as too much air in the water
 

Orion

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To much air in the water? Mabey, if it was super saturated with pure O2, but with just air, no.

Acually air stones do not really directly add any oxygen to the water. Very little of the air comming out of the stones is disolved in the water. What the bubbles do is create water movment and moves the surface of the water around some. This movent at the surface is what provides the gas exchange for the water, and where a good majority of the oxygen in the water comes from.
 

RyuKing

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Sep 12, 2009
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To much air in the water? Mabey, if it was super saturated with pure O2, but with just air, no.

Acually air stones do not really directly add any oxygen to the water. Very little of the air comming out of the stones is disolved in the water. What the bubbles do is create water movment and moves the surface of the water around some. This movent at the surface is what provides the gas exchange for the water, and where a good majority of the oxygen in the water comes from.
How important is airation anyway? I've never used it and maybe that's why my fish don't live past a year or so? Should I get a pump and a bubble wand or something like that? Maybe more air will make my poor Ryukin a little happier and less lethargic. I currently have two filters running one which came with the tank and one I bought to replace the original, which I actually fixed and now use. They both cause water movement, however there are no real bubbles formed. Should I just rely on one and go with a good air pump and an air rock/bubble wand? I'm confused so any help would be appreciated.
 

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All fish need oxygen to survive, and there are a lot of ways to provide that for them. If your fish is lethargic, I doubt it is a lack of oxygen. A fish suffering from oxygen deprevation normally stays at the surface gulping air with the water at the surface. More likely to be water quality issues.

What size is your aquarium? How much/how often do you change the water? What are your ammonia/nitrite/nitrate readings?

By the way, this thread is almost 4 years old. It may be better to start your own to find out how to make your Ryukin healthier/happier.
 

bmoraski

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#9
Wow
i noticed the original poster has Banned under his name ,i know its an old post but wondering what that meant, i havent seen it before. He was banned from the forum ?
just curious
 

RyuKing

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Sep 12, 2009
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#10
As far as the thread I just wanted to continue what someone else started. I've ran my own forums before and too many threads lead to problems.

All levels are good as of today according to my quick dip testers. Ammonia is at 0 and that tester I have a better kit for. I use water from the water machines when I cycle it. That was a recommendation from an aquatics worker at a local Petco. I also keep a small cup of aquarium salt in the tank at all times as well. If you find my pictures in the gallery you'll see what I'm talking about. Almost for my tank and fish information are in my signature at the bottom. ;)
 

stoddern

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the dip test strips are in acurate and don't give good readings you should get a good drip test with test tubes and the whole nine API makes a good one thats only around $30-$40 if you need to wait to get one take a sample of the tank water to a LFS and they should test it for you, never heard of a LFS charging for water test but if they do it would be very little
 

RyuKing

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Sep 12, 2009
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the dip test strips are in acurate and don't give good readings you should get a good drip test with test tubes and the whole nine API makes a good one thats only around $30-$40 if you need to wait to get one take a sample of the tank water to a LFS and they should test it for you, never heard of a LFS charging for water test but if they do it would be very little
I guess I will do that then. Maybe there's something I'm missing. My ammonia tester is an API though so I'm thinking that should be fine.

I'm not sure how I made that typo in my last post. I mean to type "Also" not "Almost". Thanks for the advice!
 

RyuKing

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Water machines? Is this ro/di water?

And why do you keep a cup of salt in the tank???

Hmmm.....
Salt helps maintain electrolytes so I've read.

I actually got a Tetra Pump today along with some tubing, a check valve and a bubble bar. Instantly Marby came to life and started playing in the bubbles and swimming around happy. I'm thinking that's what was needed. I also removed the other filter and added a new and improved plant. I think he was just bored of how everything was. Flick seem to like it too. :)
 

homebunnyj

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OK, too much salt in the water is a bad thing. Really there is no good reason to have it in there under normal circumstances. Is there something wrong with your tap water as to why you buy water to do water changes with? because goldfish prefer harder water, and ro/di isn't the first choice for them. And salt won't fix it. Tap water should be fine unless yours is unusual in some way.

Secondly, you have two goldies in a ten gallon? What sort of filtration do you have? And what is your water change schedule -- how much, how often? How often do you feed?

And what are the actual results in numbers when you last tested your water? What are "good" levels in your opinion?

You said in one post that your fish don't seem to live past a year. I think we can soon get to the bottom of why that is.
 

RyuKing

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Sep 12, 2009
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Ok then I will remove the salt. Yes there are currently two. Filtration system is a Whisper EX good for up to 20g tank. I change 25% every two weeks. I feed them every other day or so regular fish food and green peas a couple times a week. Test results Ammonia: 0 Ph: 6.5 NO2: 0 NO3: 10. And if NO2 and NO3 seem to be weird then just switch them around. Should I feed them more often possibly? Reason I don't feed them often is because a local pet store told me not to. Name of the shop is Pet Kingdom. They're one of the best here in San Diego.

Oh one last thing I'm upgrading to a 20g either tomorrow or the day after. I guess I could try tap water again, but it seems to take it a long time to adjust, but if you insist I can try that again.
 

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homebunnyj

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"Adjust" how? I still don't understand what the problem is with your tap water. Your pH is really low for goldfish. What was your motivation for switching from tap water? You may have a very good reason but haven't explained it yet... so it would be premature to 'insist' that you try it again without any info on why it was abandoned in the first place.

I've had goldies for years too. They tend to live a long time when they're in proper conditions.
 

RyuKing

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Maybe insist was the wrong word to use. And by adjust I mean let the water sit in a bucket. I'm no expert at this which is why I keep having issues and these fish are pretty high maintenance that's for sure. How can I increase the ph and are my other levels good then? By the way thanks for all your suggestions.