Fish Traps

bkh99

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Jan 2, 2010
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Every now and then I have an experience that seems worthwhile to share with other people, in order to spare them a little pain, and this discussion of the proper use of 'fish traps' is one example of this sort of thing.

I have a planted tetra tank, and I put a few swordtails into the tank, because I like swordtails. I assumed that some of the bigger tetras would handle the population control problem, but this turned out to be false, and to many baby fish were surviving and growing to a large enough size to become inedible.

I found a real cheap 75 gallon tall including a stand and an old Fluval 304 on Kijiji for only 200 bucks and so I made plans to move the swordtails to a new tank.

Because the tetra tank is a very mature planted tank, it is not possible to catch fish in nets and move them to the 75 gallon, so I had to purchase one of those fish traps (you hold a string and then drop a trap door when the fish you want swims into the trap to eat whatever snack you placed within the trap to act as a lure).

I had five swordtails in the tank, and catching the first three was no problem, but catching those last two turned out to be a long running nightmare that dragged on for hours as a I was forced to sit beside the tank holding a string and waiting and waiting for those two fish to finally go into the trap.

It turns out that if you want to trap fish, you must be smarter than a fish, because trapping a fish should not drag on for hours and hours, but should only take maybe about 60 seconds tops.

What I discovered is that if I gave up and just went away, the swordtails would head straight for the fish trap. If I approached the tank they would exit the fish trap. Some scientific experiments have been conducted on fish that show that in some ways the fish is smarter than a cat or dog. The fish has the ability to learn by watching and by imitation, an ability only possessed by certain primates, like chimps, and human beings. I always knew that fish were smart, but I guess I just underestimated just how smart they really are. After watching those first three fish get caught in the trap, which took no time at all, those last two, having watched that process and figured the whole thing out, were not going anywhere near the trap.

So what I did was I ditched that door attached to that string, and just left the trap open. I then got a clean cloth and soaked it in water at the sink, put some bait into that fish trap. My tetra tank is backgrounded on three sides (it looks like a black rocky cove) and so what I did is I stood off to the side where I would not be immediately visible and where I could peak down into the tank from the top down and watch and wait.

What happened was that the swordtail would swim up to the front glass of the aquarium and scan the room to see if I was close by, and not seeing me around, and seeing that everything checked out and the coast was clear, the swordtail would waste no time and would swim right into that fish trap and start eating that food that was left in there. I then lunged forward and rammed that wet cloth into the opening of the trap and those last two swordtails were moved to the 75 gallon tank.

The process of trapping fish did not take hours, but somewhere between 30 or 60 seconds, because as soon as those swordtail fish saw that I was gone and got the all clear to go into that trap, they immediately went into the trap. Fish are smart. If you want to trap fish you must be smarter than the fish.

Just thought I would share this just in case someone someday might be spending hours trying to trap fish, when, really, you can do that in seconds if you understand just how smart a fish is and how quickly a fish figures out the rules of the game of that fish trap business.

Just a few side comments here. The old Fluval 304 is a nightmare to first get started. Priming the tank is dreadful. I tried holding up the intake tube and filling it with water through a funnel, and I tried using a power head to pump water into the intake hose. I am not sure which one of those things I did actually worked, but suddenly after a grueling ordeal, that filter surprised me and actually started to work. I never want to prime an older designed fluval again.

I also thought that I would mention that I am jump starting the 75 gallon using Seachem Prime (which includes an ammonia and nitrite lock which detoxifies these compounds until filter bacteria process them) and I am also using Seachem Stability (which contains the inert spores of selected bacteria which 'hatch' when introduced to the aquarium and quickly colonize the filter). I have used this technique to avoid the 'new tank syndrome' for each aquarium I have, and it works perfectly. I thought I would mention this because someone at work suggested that I torture some cheap fish that I didn't want to get my 75 gallon fluval filter started, which is archaic and badly outdated advice.
 

lauraf

Superstar Fish
Jan 1, 2010
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Hah! Trying to catch the first Chinese Algae Eater in my tank with a net was hard enough, because they are so dang fast. But then trying to get the second one? Well, he knew exactly what that net in the tank meant after his first buddy went and would wedge himself in the back where unless I tore everything down there was no way I could get him. So every day for a few weeks I put the net in the tank for a few minutes. Seemed to desensitize/uncondition the CAE to the point where when I did then gently move the net around during one water change, I was able to scoop him easily.
Hours to catch a fish? Weeks for me ;)

BTW when I set up my tank I also used Prime - that and some mucky plants from a healthy tank worked for me as a fishless cycle within about three or four weeks; however, other people on this site have issues with Prime, so you might want to consider the pure ammonia treatment instead to cycle you tank that I didn't about when I cycled mine.
 

Feb 27, 2009
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Everyone has their own methods of making the tank's water safe/healthy for fish. I've never used Cycle or any other 'bacteria in a bottle' product, so can't say if they work or not.

I do know that healthy plants work just fine to keep fish happy and healthy, and since that's what I like (growing plants), that the option I always choose. Even an ultimately plantless tank *gasp! plantless???!!!* is started with plants in my house.
 

Newman

Elite Fish
Sep 22, 2009
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Orange, I wonder how many botany-related course you took in college lol?
I am currently taking one now and it really helps one appreciate plants a whole lot more...
 

lauraf

Superstar Fish
Jan 1, 2010
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BTW, so sorry that I made the stupid error confusing Prime vs. Cycle. It's Cycle or other -bacteria-in-a-bottle that people on this forum have had issues with. I recall someone saying that if the Cycle wasn't properly refrigerated before it hit the store shelves it would be considered inert, and then if you use it you have to keep it cold.
I had no idea what I was doing when I set my tank up last spring - the Cycle plus mucky plants got me going.
 

lauraf

Superstar Fish
Jan 1, 2010
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Yes, I think so - re mucky plants. And I let my tank filtrate for well over three weeks, then did the classic beginner thing and bring water to my LFS. They tested the water, twice, each time looking at me weirdly - "are you sure you have no fish in your tank yet?"

Anyway, the combo of Cycle and mucky plants got me very quickly to a cycled tank. So I'm cool with Cycle, but understand the reasons others aren't.

And fish as smart as complex mammals? Well, my thought is they are just really easily conditionable. In fact, that was my 8th grade science fair project. Many, many, many years ago.
 

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I have a square glass vase that I use to catch fish. I 'spook' them for a few days to find out where they dart for cover and put the vase there. Then when I want to catch them, they dart right into it. It's deep enough that they can't get back out if I'm quick enough.
 

bkh99

New Fish
Jan 2, 2010
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Seachem Stability

Just thought I would mention that Stability is different from 'Cycle' in that Cycle contains live bacteria in a bottle, while Stability contains only spores of certain selected bacteria, and therefore it does not need 'refrigeration' nor do the spores live until they use up the food or oxygen, because they are inert, like seeds, which grow into bacteria when they hatch in water. This is a different product. I don't use those live bacteria in a bottle products, because they are very iffy.

Some links on fish intelligence

BBC - Earth News - Clever stingray fish use tools to solve problems
fish, once thought a "simple reflex animal", has cognitive abilities to rival birds, reptiles and mammals, scientists say.


BBC NEWS | UK | England | West Yorkshire | Scientists highlight fish 'intelligence'
Scientists highlight fish 'intelligence'
Fish are socially intelligent creatures who do not deserve their reputation as the dim-wits of the animal kingdom, according to a group of leading scientists.

Goldfish
Scientists say fish do not deserve their "dim-witted" reputation
Rather than simply being instinct-driven, the group says fish are cunning, manipulative and even cultured.

The three experts from the universities of Edinburgh, St Andrews and Leeds said there had been huge changes in science's understanding of the psychological and mental abilities of fish in the last few years.



BBC NEWS | UK | Scotland | Edinburgh, East and Fife | 'Genius' claim for sticklebacks
Fish learn by watching
 

Sharkee

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Jan 29, 2010
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Once upon a time, I finished a whole bottle of Cycle cycling a tank. Being a newbie, I followed every step directed on the label and then added the fishes. Turns out, the tank was still not cycled and I had to endure weeks of fish-in cycle. Moral of the story? Cycle cycles nothing. What a waste of 9 bucks.