30 gallon stocking!!!!!
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30g is just fine for angels. In 10s we are going to have someone on here telling you that they get to 10"!!! YIKES thats dinner plate sized!!!! They don't.
When you research it says they CAN reach 6" with select veil subspecies having reached 15" in the wild. Realistically they will get to about palm sized. So yes you could totally have one, or a pair even a trio would be ok.
I bread angels for years. Im a memeber of the cichlid organization, I do the fish auctions the whole gamit. I promise these people don't kow how to measure if they think they have 10" angels and likely are looking at 3-4" guys when they say they have 6" angels. I have two of my stocking lists below thats nearly 1,000 in livestock alone! I haev 3 other tanks up and running at the moment I promise Im really not an idiot and I know what im talking about.
Have you thought about rams? Bolivian or German? they are middle to bottowm fish and are really peaceful and colorful. Look them up, betcha like em
Barbs are good. they are hearty and readily available.
If you are going to plant i would go with clown plecos for your bottom feeders, they will also suck the glass some.
When you research it says they CAN reach 6" with select veil subspecies having reached 15" in the wild. Realistically they will get to about palm sized. So yes you could totally have one, or a pair even a trio would be ok.
I bread angels for years. Im a memeber of the cichlid organization, I do the fish auctions the whole gamit. I promise these people don't kow how to measure if they think they have 10" angels and likely are looking at 3-4" guys when they say they have 6" angels. I have two of my stocking lists below thats nearly 1,000 in livestock alone! I haev 3 other tanks up and running at the moment I promise Im really not an idiot and I know what im talking about.
Have you thought about rams? Bolivian or German? they are middle to bottowm fish and are really peaceful and colorful. Look them up, betcha like em
Barbs are good.
they are hearty and readily available. If you are going to plant i would go with clown plecos for your bottom feeders, they will also suck the glass some.
Sorry, but that is completely wrong...sort of....LOL
You still have to do water changes, more frequently too. When something goes wrong in a fish tank, say a 10, there is only (for arguments sake) 10 gallons of water to absorb it. So if a fish died right after you go to work, then after work you stop buy a friends house and talk for a few hours come home 12 hours later. The ammonia given off by the decaying fish has crashed your tank. The same scenario in a 55 and your ammonia level is higher, but not deadly because there is more then 5X the water for the ammonia to be dispersed in.
Same goes for weekly water changes....your fish create ammonia in the poop (duh) so you need to change water to keep the ammonia levels down. In a 10 you have almost NO margin of error, how ever in a larger tank, say a 55 you can "forget" for a day. Not that any of us ever forget to do a water change......LOL
I guess what I am saying is no matter the size of the tank, you will always have to water changes and the smaller the tanks, the more frequent the water changes!
BTW, sorry about the tank confusion but my first "big tank" was a 30! You could do everything you wanted, but not the Angels, well, maybe one....
Also get rid of the under gravel filter (UGF) and get a good Hang on the Back (HOB) filter! I like the Aquaclear's because they last a long time and you can use virtually any filter medium! UGF are not good if you have plants because the roots can interfere with the filter, also many people do not like UGF because to clean them, you have to tear the tank completely apart.
You still have to do water changes, more frequently too. When something goes wrong in a fish tank, say a 10, there is only (for arguments sake) 10 gallons of water to absorb it. So if a fish died right after you go to work, then after work you stop buy a friends house and talk for a few hours come home 12 hours later. The ammonia given off by the decaying fish has crashed your tank. The same scenario in a 55 and your ammonia level is higher, but not deadly because there is more then 5X the water for the ammonia to be dispersed in.
Same goes for weekly water changes....your fish create ammonia in the poop (duh) so you need to change water to keep the ammonia levels down. In a 10 you have almost NO margin of error, how ever in a larger tank, say a 55 you can "forget" for a day. Not that any of us ever forget to do a water change......LOL
I guess what I am saying is no matter the size of the tank, you will always have to water changes and the smaller the tanks, the more frequent the water changes!
BTW, sorry about the tank confusion but my first "big tank" was a 30! You could do everything you wanted, but not the Angels, well, maybe one....
Also get rid of the under gravel filter (UGF) and get a good Hang on the Back (HOB) filter! I like the Aquaclear's because they last a long time and you can use virtually any filter medium! UGF are not good if you have plants because the roots can interfere with the filter, also many people do not like UGF because to clean them, you have to tear the tank completely apart.
Oh yes, I think I've heard the water quantity thing before. What I meant was the amount of water I change every week will go down a bit. Sorry for the confusion
It also came with a HOB filter, its called the Second Nature Whisper Power Filter. Has anyone ever heard of this? I'm planning to just get another HOB to add on with the Second Nature. I think Angels are out of the question anyways, so more suggestions are welcome!
It also came with a HOB filter, its called the Second Nature Whisper Power Filter. Has anyone ever heard of this? I'm planning to just get another HOB to add on with the Second Nature. I think Angels are out of the question anyways, so more suggestions are welcome!
30g is just fine for angels. In 10s we are going to have someone on here telling you that they get to 10"!!! YIKES thats dinner plate sized!!!! They don't.
When you research it says they CAN reach 6" with select veil subspecies having reached 15" in the wild. Realistically they will get to about palm sized. So yes you could totally have one, or a pair even a trio would be ok.
I bread angels for years. Im a memeber of the cichlid organization, I do the fish auctions the whole gamit. I promise these people don't kow how to measure if they think they have 10" angels and likely are looking at 3-4" guys when they say they have 6" angels. I have two of my stocking lists below thats nearly 1,000 in livestock alone! I haev 3 other tanks up and running at the moment I promise Im really not an idiot and I know what im talking about.
Have you thought about rams? Bolivian or German? they are middle to bottowm fish and are really peaceful and colorful. Look them up, betcha like em
Barbs are good. they are hearty and readily available.
If you are going to plant i would go with clown plecos for your bottom feeders, they will also suck the glass some.
When you research it says they CAN reach 6" with select veil subspecies having reached 15" in the wild. Realistically they will get to about palm sized. So yes you could totally have one, or a pair even a trio would be ok.
I bread angels for years. Im a memeber of the cichlid organization, I do the fish auctions the whole gamit. I promise these people don't kow how to measure if they think they have 10" angels and likely are looking at 3-4" guys when they say they have 6" angels. I have two of my stocking lists below thats nearly 1,000 in livestock alone! I haev 3 other tanks up and running at the moment I promise Im really not an idiot and I know what im talking about.
Have you thought about rams? Bolivian or German? they are middle to bottowm fish and are really peaceful and colorful. Look them up, betcha like em
Barbs are good.
they are hearty and readily available. If you are going to plant i would go with clown plecos for your bottom feeders, they will also suck the glass some.
I have thought about rams in the past. I love them, but my water is hard ( in the 7.8 - 8.0 range) so I don't think they would live up to their full potential in my tanks
I'm actually going to stick with peppered corys for my bottom feeders, I have two lonely ones in my fifteen, so I owe it to them to make I nice school of like 7.
Thanks again for all your help!
Sorry everyone, its been a while. I just want to give a little update. I ordered some nice malaysian driftwood, so Im really excited to start aquascaping! I still need to have a stand built, so I'm kind of stuck in one place at the moment until that can get done. For stocking, I was thinking 8 tiger barbs, 2 three spot gouramis, and 7 peppered cories. Does this sound good? Any other suggestions? THanks!
I wouldn't do two three-spot gouramis. They are typical anabantoids and are very territorial and aggressive with their own kind. You could maybe do a trio of pearl gouramis if you wanted more than one of the larger gourami species. The only thing I would suggest would be to get the tiger barbs as small as you can. That way the gourami will keep them in line and keep them from getting too aggressive (happened in my 29gal with my tiger barbs and opaline gourami...the tiger barbs ended up terrified of everything because of the gourami).
I would do more tiger barbs, TBH. In a 55gal, even with the other fish you want in there, you could comfortably have a school of 10-12.
I would do more tiger barbs, TBH. In a 55gal, even with the other fish you want in there, you could comfortably have a school of 10-12.
Keep in mind its only a 30 gallon, and I was thinking about that but I'd rather have a more natural look, thanks though.
Again, its only 30 gallons ( does anyone know how to change the thread title?) I was planning on getting the tiger barbs young, and adding them last, just so everything can establish itself before they come in. I have no experience with gouramis, so I guess I would rather have peaceful ones. I've seen these gouramis at the store called gold gouramis, and they look kinda like pearls, so could they possibly be a color form? Would they be more sensitive or aggressive?
Again, its only 30 gallons ( does anyone know how to change the thread title?) I was planning on getting the tiger barbs young, and adding them last, just so everything can establish itself before they come in. I have no experience with gouramis, so I guess I would rather have peaceful ones. I've seen these gouramis at the store called gold gouramis, and they look kinda like pearls, so could they possibly be a color form? Would they be more sensitive or aggressive?
Gold gouramis are a color morph of the three-spot gourami, same as the blue, platinum and opaline gouramis. Pearl gouramis are an entirely separate species. They can be kept in pairs or trios, but in a tank as small as a 30gal, I'd probably only go with one (since they get to be 4").
Pearl Gourami (Trichogaster leeri) - A Profile of the Pearl Gourami (Trichogaster leeri)
Pearl Gourami, Trichogaster leeri, Family: Osphronemidae, Subfamily: Luciocephalinae
Pearl Gourami, Trichogaster leeri Profile, with care, maintenance requirements and breeding information for your tropical fish
Pearl Gourami - Trichogaster leeri
Pearl Gourami (Trichogaster leeri) - A Profile of the Pearl Gourami (Trichogaster leeri)
Pearl Gourami, Trichogaster leeri, Family: Osphronemidae, Subfamily: Luciocephalinae
Pearl Gourami, Trichogaster leeri Profile, with care, maintenance requirements and breeding information for your tropical fish
Pearl Gourami - Trichogaster leeri
This is sparkling gouramis doing it, but it's the same concept. Turn your speakers (and the volume on the vid) WAY up and be very quiet and you'll hear it.
YouTube - Sparkling Gouramis
YouTube - Sparkling Gouramis