Not posted in awhile

Fishman1995

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I havent posted in awhile here because i been busy on UltimateBettas doing a lil research and i have found what i want for my birthday tank. Let me continue with admitting that a 20 gallon high tank is to much for me to care for at this time in life so im doing my 10 gallon tank. Im doing an all Male Betta Channoides community. Not quite sure how many Males im doing yet but im hoping to accomplish a live planted tank also and im thinking of doing lil Pots for caves and maybe 1 or 2 normal decorations with maybe a Driftwood centerpiece. So far Electra is still doing nice, i fed her another earthworm the other day. Shes still doing fine and doesnt get stressed out much anymore like she used to. Well thats my update comment :D
 

NoDeltaH2O

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I too have been away for a long while, a really long while in fact. While I too struggle finding the time in a very busy life with lots of traveling to take care of a fish tank, I am seizing the opportunity to scoop up on some free hardware from a friend who is traveling a lot as well
 

Thyra

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Jun 2, 2010
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Fantasy Bettas and Guppies: Mystical, Magical and well loved!

I will admit, I was interested in what you were talking about Fishman. The above site was interesting but it would indicate none of your tanks are big enough for channoids (it says they need a minimum of 100cm long (39 inches)and I could find nothing that said you could put males together. Also they get to be 12cm which is like 5 inches.

From my experience - and I do mean actual experience - my three smallest tanks (2.5, 5, and 10) require the most care and they are not overstocked. The 20 & 30g are easiest. It is easier to vacuum them without destroying the plants, etc and algae isn't the problem as it is in the smaller tanks - I am starting to suspect this is because in a smaller tank you have about the same amount of light in a smaller area and so the algae accumulates faster. Therefore instead of just taking out 3 buckets of water once a week, I wind up scrapping algae in the smaller tanks which takes longer than the water change in the big tanks.
 

Thyra

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Hi MK, haven't heard from you for a while. I had just written a PM and my computer had some problems and in the process of rebooting I lost everything. I still have some questions about mollies that you may be able to help with.
 

ryanoh

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I'm not trying to sway you if you have your mind made up, but...

Why spend the money on a 10 if you already have a 20. A 20 should be easier to take care of than a 10 since you have more water and can therefore worry less about nailing exact water parameters?
 

Thyra

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Which website is incorrect?? I have looked at several, even the one you have gotten your advise from says nothing about the size of tank or putting more than one male in the tank or anything about their cost or where to buy them. How do you decide which is correct ??
 

misterking

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I read it on several websites, so no need to get defensive about it. I do question though how, when you could barely maintain a 20g community tank of hardy fish, you can expect to be able to source, afford and take care of a group of sensitive wild fish in such a small tank. Meh!

Good luck with it, but I'm almost certain you'll change your mind again pretty soon. You changed your mind like, twice in that one thread.
 

Thyra

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OK, I found it and read through it all and if that is your research, I don't see it. There is no source. Nobody even actually says they have done it with channoids or the result. So I can't see how you would decided which site is more correct. There was a lot of research done on the site I pointed out. I also did a lot more searching because I wanted pictures and although it does sound fascinating, expense wise it is out of my league!
 

Fishman1995

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May 11, 2010
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How is a wild channoide sensitive. Its a betta? All i gotta do is just make sure the PH is good. I dont understand why i should set up an enourmous tank that has a crack in it (from being unlevel) when i could just do a nice small 10 gallon which i find much less challenging to keep clean than a 20. Thyra, did you search The IBC Species Maintenance Program and seach for Betta Channoides
 

Thyra

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Yes, I did and also a lot more than that - really just my curiosity, but it does say for a community tank you need at least 20g. There is also something about "black water and almond leaves" on the condition of water on some of the sights, I didn't go in to detail because obviously I am not interested in spending that kind of money on fish. Is that your new tank that is cracked? I thought you drained the water right away when we mentioned it wasn't level. I don't know what you mean by "sensitive" - I didn't use that word in my post. (Are you talking about expensive??) I don't know if channoids are sensitive or not - bettas certainly aren't in my experience - I carried mine around with me in a bowl for two years until I got on the forum and found out they were supposed to be in a bigger tank. And I will have to say, he was never happy again in the 2.5g tank. Some of them apparently like their little confined space and are more comfortable. I just find my larger tanks easier and quicker to clean - it took me an hour to clean my 5g this morning. It will probably take me 10 minutes or less to do the 20g now. BTW, my bettas are the $3 kind, not the hundreds of dollar kind!
 

misterking

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Aug 12, 2008
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All wild fish are more sensitive than tank-bred fish. And since these fish aren't quite commercial enough to have an extensive breeding programme, you'd almost certainly be buying wild. And to say "how can it be sensitive, it's a betta" is a bit odd. That's like saying "how can it be sensitive, it's a cichlid" about blue rams, or "how can it be sensitive, it's a gourami" about chocolate gouramis, it just doesn't make any sense.

I'd also seriously take the tank size into consideration. From all the websites I've read it reckons a pair would be fine in a 10, a group needing a 20+.
 

bassbonediva

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Oct 15, 2009
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Ultimate bettas (experts at betta care etc.) gave me the idea and okay to go ahead with it. The website you saw is incorrect.
No offense to the people on UltimateBettas, but I would hardly call them "experts at betta care." I was a member of that site for a while and saw many people given poor advice regarding their bettas (the one that is burned into my memory is the person who was adviced to have a 7-8 female sorority in a 14gal tank...when I suggested that what they were advising was probably not in the best interest of the person asking, not only because the tank was too small, but the person was a brand new fishkeeper and honestly, sororities are best left to the very experienced, I was flamed relentlessly and treated incredibly rudely). I would not trust ANYTHING I read on UltimateBettas, quite frankly.

This is directly from the IBC website:
"Betta channoides can be housed in pairs, species tanks, and community tanks. Pairs can be housed in a 10 gallon tank, groups should be housed in a 20 gallon tank or larger. Pairs should be given cover such as caves and plants. In a pair or species situation it is possible that fry could be discovered in the tanks. For best results remove a brooding male."
Betta channoides

I only found ONE betta channoides for sale on AquaBid and that SINGLE fish was $20 PLUS shipping from Thailand (generally about $40 or so).

I just went through your thread on UB and, to be honest, no one actually answered your question about how many males you could have in a 10gal. That being said, all the info I read on them states they get anywhere from 3-4.75" long...that's HUGE! That's bigger than the "king" bettas you see at Petco. That's as long as my almost adult angelfish! I couldn't imagine the strain on the bioload from more than two fish that size in a 10gal, not to mention the fact that they're so big, they won't be able to get out of each others sight very much.

Why would you want to risk so much with such expensive fish when, to be quite frank, you've managed to somehow kill every other fish you've owned, even the hardy ones. I don't say this to be mean. I'm just trying to get you to think about what you're trying to do. Also, are you sure your parents are going to let you have such expensive fish? It doesn't sound to me like your mom likes you having a tank in the first place.

Please, please, please think about what you're doing before you rush into something like this. I know you're eager to upgrade to "difficult" fish, but I think you need a lot more experience and a lot more of a solid, mature head on your shoulders before you attempt the more difficult fish in the hobby (and as MK said, ANYTHING that is wild-caught is much more difficult than tank-raised).

This is all just my two cents and you'll probably ignore it and get all upset over what I've said anyway, but I had to tell you what I think about the choice you're considering making.

Oh, and what everyone else said is TOTALLY true...the bigger the tank, the easier it is to deal with. My 55gal is almost self-maintaining. My smaller tanks (the 10s, the 9, even the 20gL and 18gal) are much more work. The parameters tend to stay steadier in a big tank and even if there is a fluctuation, it isn't nearly as drastic or extreme, and the consequences aren't nearly so dire, as it would be in a small tank. This is the experience of someone with NINE tanks up and running (including one reef tank) at the moment, ranging in size from 9 gallons to 55 gallons (and I'm planning on adding two more tanks in the near future...a 2.5gal planted shrimp tank and a 6gal dwarf puffer tank).
 

Fishman1995

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Okay reading all this in i feel that A, MK cares alot about fishes Parameters :D and B that Bass Cares alot about giving ppl the right advice :D

Okay perhaps Ultimate Betta isnt the best website to go off of lol. After reading all of this i dont think a Betta Channoides male community would be the best therefore perhaps i should just stick with my old plans of a normal community until i get my own home and source of income LOL. Ive also discovered from Biology that i somehow enjoy docotoring (Perhaps a future career) Anyways, i dont feel comfortable doing my 20 gallon again, it was much more difficult to care for than my 10 was. The actual only issue i had with my 10 was i wasnt doing water changes nor gravel vacumes and incompatible species. So in an effort to get this one correct im buying all my supplies before i even set up this new tank. That would be my API master testkit and Gravel Vacume (manuel). Can you belive on Ultimate Bettas they told me i could keep 5 Kuhlis and a Betta in my 10 gallon. I was like Whaaaaat? Anyways for my 10 id like 1 centerpeice a school of (Cardinals or Neons, continue to forget which is hardier) and some sort of bottom dweller. Maybe my centerpiece of a dwarf gourami? maybe 6 of the schoolers and a small variety of cory for the bottom? Idk but advise me oh wonderful fish masters (not meant in disrespect bein serious lol )
 

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This is directly from the IBC website:
"Betta channoides can be housed in pairs, species tanks, and community tanks. Pairs can be housed in a 10 gallon tank, groups should be housed in a 20 gallon tank or larger. Pairs should be given cover such as caves and plants. In a pair or species situation it is possible that fry could be discovered in the tanks. For best results remove a brooding male."
Betta channoides
To add to this (great advice, btw, bass!)...When it says 'pairs can be housed in a 10 gallon tank' it means that one male/female pair can be house in a 10 gallon tank. It is a bit misleading the way its worded. And a pair is not just any two fish, but a male/female pair.