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[paperdog9]

Okay reading all this in i feel that A, MK cares alot about fishes Parameters and B that Bass Cares alot about giving ppl the right advice

Okay perhaps Ultimate Betta isnt the best website to go off of lol. After reading all of this i dont think a Betta Channoides male community would be the best therefore perhaps i should just stick with my old plans of a normal community until i get my own home and source of income LOL. Ive also discovered from Biology that i somehow enjoy docotoring (Perhaps a future career) Anyways, i dont feel comfortable doing my 20 gallon again, it was much more difficult to care for than my 10 was. The actual only issue i had with my 10 was i wasnt doing water changes nor gravel vacumes and incompatible species. So in an effort to get this one correct im buying all my supplies before i even set up this new tank. That would be my API master testkit and Gravel Vacume (manuel). Can you belive on Ultimate Bettas they told me i could keep 5 Kuhlis and a Betta in my 10 gallon. I was like Whaaaaat? Anyways for my 10 id like 1 centerpeice a school of (Cardinals or Neons, continue to forget which is hardier) and some sort of bottom dweller. Maybe my centerpiece of a dwarf gourami? maybe 6 of the schoolers and a small variety of cory for the bottom? Idk but advise me oh wonderful fish masters (not meant in disrespect bein serious lol )

Just wanted to reccommend the set up I have, you could do a bunch of live plants (even low light plants can be lush) and a community of endlers and red cherry shrimp, with perhaps a female platy as a centerpiece. I don't know if this sounds interesting, but it is all hardy fish, easy to maintain, and the best set-up I could hope for with a fifteen gallon (or in your case 10 gallon).

As for the Dwarf gourami, I don't know if anybody else agrees, but I don't think they are the hardiest of fish if that is what you're looking for. I had one before, but he only lasted a few weeks before he died of an unknown disease. It might just be the process of settling in that weekened his system, but I'm not really sure (it was a while ago.) Good luck!

 

[big54bob]

I would suggest doing a planted betta comunnity in your ten gal.

Stock it like this
Your female betta
12 ghost shrimp
and some ramshorn snails

 

[misterking]

I would suggest doing a planted betta comunnity in your ten gal.

Stock it like this
Your female betta
12 ghost shrimp
and some ramshorn snails

This sort of idea would work well for you, fishman. Hardy fish and inverts, and potentially quite low maintenance. Of course you could keep your female in the smaller tank and get a new betta for the 10. The same plan would probably work with a single dwarf gourami. If you were to do a shoaling fish instead of the snails you couldn't really keep more than 6 of small varieties of tetras or rasboras. Basically, nothing bigger than a neon would be a good shoaler for a 10. A few suggestions of what would work in a group of 6 IMO..

Neon tetras
Pristella tetras
Glowlight tetras
Ember tetras
Black neon tetras
Flame/von rio tetras
Rummynose tetras
Any form of pencilfish
Harlequin rasboras
Hengel's rasboras

I would, however, not keep any cories in a 10 other than pygmy cories. If you wanted to do this they'd need to replace your shoal, you'd be quite badly overstocked with both. Unfortunately you could do betta/gourami + shoal of 6 + 6 cories in a 20, but not in a 10.

And I don't think it's good that you only got that I care about the water parameters needed by the fish from my post.. I'm trying to advise you based on what would work best for you financially and in terms of maintanence, and what's best for the fish. Wild fish isn't the way to go for a relative newbie unfortunately. I've never tried wild fish for a reason. Bass is right when she says that with your track record it's not a good idea to go for wilds, no offence of course, just an observation.

 

[bassbonediva]

Great advice from MK. However, I am going to disagree with one of the fish he has listed. The harlequin rasbora. I have 10 of them in my 55gal and I think they are too big and active for a 10gal, to be completely honest.

Fishman, I don't think dwarf gouramis belong in anything smaller than a 20 gallon. I had one and he was quite big (3" or so) and was fairly active. He was also my least favorite fish because he was constantly ripping up my stem plants. I was not at all sad to see him go to the LFS. How about a honey gourami as a centerpiece fish instead? I wouldn't do kuhlis in a 10 gallon, either. They do best in LARGE groups. If there aren't at least 4-5 of them, you'll never see them. Pygmy cories would be a nice bottom-dweller for a 10 gallon, but unless you went with a micro-fish species for your schooler, you wouldn't have room for them, a school AND a centerpiece. This is part of the reason we're urging you to try your 20 gallon again. You have SO many more stocking option with it. Also, you say the problems in your 10 gallon were because you didn't do water changes or gravel vacs...but isn't that the same thing that happened in your 20 gallon? I distinctly remember you saying you "couldn't" do water changes on your 20 gallon. What would be the difference between doing water changes on the 10 gallon and doing water changes on the 20 gallon? I really want you to be honest with us and yourself here.

 

[IThinkTherefore]

Just wanted to reccommend the set up I have, you could do a bunch of live plants (even low light plants can be lush) and a community of endlers and red cherry shrimp, with perhaps a female platy as a centerpiece. I don't know if this sounds interesting, but it is all hardy fish, easy to maintain, and the best set-up I could hope for with a fifteen gallon (or in your case 10 gallon).

I like this idea! It sounds like a beautiful, interesting, and colorful tank *SUPERSMIL

I would suggest doing a planted betta comunnity in your ten gal.

Stock it like this
Your female betta
12 ghost shrimp
and some ramshorn snails

I also like this! I bet Electra would love a larger tank. Although, I've been told by people on this forum that ghost shrimp can be agressive (although this may not be a problem as Electra doesn't have a male's long fins), so maybe cherries instead

 

[Fishman1995]

Be honest? if you say so, but im fixing to get MAJORLY fussed out, but here it is. None of my tanks failed on there on. They failed on purpose....that will be all i say. I have never did a gravel vacume and i do do water changes, the only fish that've died were my Zebra Danios and the one catfish that bumped his head and Felix. There, you wanted the truth, you got it, also i never fixed the 20 gallon which is cracked on one side via my stuborness. Fish keeping isnt my thing right now, if i cant afford to take care of them then i simply remove them. Perhaps i should give up fishkeeping for now.

 

[Thyra]

"I am officially scared of water changes. I did a 25% water change yesterday like everyone's been saying and the tank water clouded. This morning every fish was dead"

Have you forgotten??

 

[OrangeCones]

From this:

i have found what i want for my birthday tank. Let me continue with admitting that a 20 gallon high tank is to much for me to care for at this time in life so im doing my 10 gallon tank. Im doing an all Male Betta Channoides community.

To this:

Fish keeping isnt my thing right now, if i cant afford to take care of them then i simply remove them. Perhaps i should give up fishkeeping for now.

And in less than 3 days??

Fishman1995, to be honest, if you can't do a gravel vacuum and weekly water changes on one 10gallon tank, perhaps you SHOULD give this up for now. I have 8 aquariums ranging from 5 to 29 gallons, and it takes me LESS THAN AN HOUR every other week to do: the water changes on all of them, gravel vacuum as I pull out the old water, testing on all water parameters, trimming plants if needed, etc.

You should be able to maintain a 10 gallon tank in the time it takes to not watch a commercial on television!

Being responsible for another living creature does take commitment. Not everyone is up to the task.

 

[achase]

I agree with OC that maybe you should take a break from fish-keeping for a bit. From what I understand your young, enjoy life for a while without the responsibility of multiple tanks.

Fish keeping isn't my thing right now

Then it's time to take a break....you can always come back to fish-keeping.

 

[Fishman1995]

I feel the thing is this....i like a VERY agresive tank. I like to see fish interacting roughly i guess but no one really gets killed.

 

[misterking]

I feel the thing is this....i like a VERY agresive tank. I like to see fish interacting roughly i guess but no one really gets killed.

It's quite irresponsible to set up a tank on the premise the fish will fight. It's stressful and dangerous for the fish and totally inhumane.

If fishkeeping isn't your thing, it's time to take a break, as everyone else has said. Otherwise you're wasting your money, you're wasting your fishes lives, and you're wasting our time. Sorry if that's too blunt but it's true.

 

[paperdog9]

Yeah, if you want aggressive fish, you can't really do much with a ten gallon. Perhaps you could just keep it simple and set up the ten gallon for your betta and maybe a dwarf frog with her. This would be very easy to care for water change wise, and if you don't want to go through the trouble of feeding bloodworms to the frog, you could simply set up the ten and put in only your betta. That would by far be the easiest most layed back set-up you could do. Maybe just keep it simple and put in like a few java fern and some java moss with a few caves or some driftwood.

If you want to take a complete break, that is perfectly fine, we won't have anything against you, but if you don't want a complete break, you could do the ubove and it would be even less work then just having your small betta tank. What do ya think?

 

[Fishman1995]

I think im just gonna run my 5 gallon for the 2 more years im at home, im leaving for college after that anyways. And MK im not talking about 2 betta agression im talking about Tiger Barb, Rainbow Shark, and South American/African cichlid agression. I think im just more suited for bigger tanks where i can keep more fish or bigger fish. I think its about time for a 6 + year break.

 

[misterking]

I think im just gonna run my 5 gallon for the 2 more years im at home, im leaving for college after that anyways. And MK im not talking about 2 betta agression im talking about Tiger Barb, Rainbow Shark, and South American/African cichlid agression. I think im just more suited for bigger tanks where i can keep more fish or bigger fish. I think its about time for a 6 + year break.

I didn't think you meant betta aggression, if you look at my post (though I do doubt how much you actually read and take in) you'll see I don't mention anything to do with bettas. I was referring to all fish. To bait fish into a situation where they're constantly stressed and fighting is cruel.

 

[bassbonediva]

Fishman, I'm actually proud of you for admitting to us what you just did. It took guts, kid.

That being said, I have noticed from your stocking ideas and "plans" that you prefer large, aggressive fish. These types of fish aren't suited to the tanks you have/can afford, so maybe you are right that it is time you took a break until you can have what you want and you can dedicate the time to keeping the fish healthy and happy.

However, I do agree with MK in that putting fish together for the sole purpose of seeing them interact violently is cruel. In fact, I view it in the same light as I do betta fighting and dog fighting--unnecessary and morbid. It is also a very immature view of your responsibility to the living creatures you have decided to care for. Hopefully if/when you pick the hobby back up, you will have grown up enough to realize that the kind of tank you're talking about is a bad idea and is quite immature.

 

[aakaakaak]

FM,

If you like the way tiger barbs act try some other barbs that would actually fit in your 10 gal. (Throw your 20g out if it's got a crack. I would not trust it.) At work I'm running a 10 gal. with 5 cherry barbs (2 Male, 3 Female). They almost always appear to be pushing and prodding in a mating way, but no actual damage is being done. Are they simple, standard fish? Yes. Are they easy to care for and proper for a 10 gal.? Yes.

Stop looking for the super-awesome-crazy-super fish.

In life, before you endeavor to learn to run, you must learn all the other aspects of the thing. You must first learn to lift your head up, then learn to roll over, then to balance on hands and knees, then to crawl, then to stand with support, then unsupported, then come your first supported steps, then you venture to take your first unsupported step, and then another, and then, after all these steps, you can finally begin to learn how to run. You're still in the process FM. You're making progress, but are still trying to run before you can walk. Try something a little more simple.

(I'm still askared of anything saltwater or even brackish.)

 

[paperdog9]

FM,

If you like the way tiger barbs act try some other barbs that would actually fit in your 10 gal. (Throw your 20g out if it's got a crack. I would not trust it.) At work I'm running a 10 gal. with 5 cherry barbs (2 Male, 3 Female). They almost always appear to be pushing and prodding in a mating way, but no actual damage is being done. Are they simple, standard fish? Yes. Are they easy to care for and proper for a 10 gal.? Yes.

Stop looking for the super-awesome-crazy-super fish.

In life, before you endeavor to learn to run, you must learn all the other aspects of the thing. You must first learn to lift your head up, then learn to roll over, then to balance on hands and knees, then to crawl, then to stand with support, then unsupported, then come your first supported steps, then you venture to take your first unsupported step, and then another, and then, after all these steps, you can finally begin to learn how to run. You're still in the process FM. You're making progress, but are still trying to run before you can walk. Try something a little more simple.

(I'm still askared of anything saltwater or even brackish.)

Wow, that was very well said, and i agree.

 

[fishwish34]

I agree too. If you like active fish that will chase a little, you might like zebra danios, even though you said you already had some. They're hardy and VERY energetic. Mine swarm the surface of the water whenever I open the lid, and when after a water change they decided I was a big scary monster, they zipped across the tank so fast I couldn't see them. They would need a bigger tank than a 10 gallon for all that energy, but they could be an option.

 

[Fishman1995]

Ive had Cherry barbs before, i dont find them active at all, all mine did was sit around and not move much.

And for the rest, i dont mean putting a Red Devil and a Midas in a 90 gallon tank to see them kill eachother. I mean putting a Jack Dempsey and a Red Terror together in a 110 gallon so there isnt MUCH fighting. Or 15 Africans in a 90 gallon. Or a Red Tailed Shark and some Tiger barbs and a Lepoard ( or however its spelt) gourami

 

[OrangeCones]

Ive had Cherry barbs before, i dont find them active at all, all mine did was sit around and not move much.

If you provide a healthy environment, they are quite active fish.