ammonia so bad i have to start again please help

May 8, 2011
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i have a load of ammonia in my tank and i need to start all over again so i am moving my 7 remaining fish to my grans 55 gallon tank while i start again. but what i need help with is how to transport the fish and cycle the tank properly this time (because last time i did not) Thanks so much for your help.
 

lauraf

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That's too bad. You might not want to start your tank up all over again, since in cycling you introduce ammonia to get the bacteria colonized. By removing the fish, you are taking away the ammonia source which may have just been too much for your tank to handle, but ammonia is what you'll need to add in some form anyway if you break down the tank to start again.. Get the fish out, do a 50% water change, and test again in a day. What are your readings right now for nitrite and nitrate?
And how far do you have to transport your fish? If it's less than a couple hours' drive, putting them in sealed bags or even tupperware containers, covered with a towel and propped very stably in the car, should be fine. Don't let the car interior get too hot or too cold!
 

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because of ammonia We have been doing 20% water changes every other day for the past 3 weeks and i has not changed any thing the car journey is about 45 mins. the nitrite and nitrate are all ok and at normal levels. so what do you suppose i do rather than starting all over again.
thanks for your help
 

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Instead of moving the fish, maybe you could borrow a handful of gravel or part of the filter medium from the other tank? It will be seeded with beneficial bacteria and if you put it in your filter it will colonize in your tank. You would want to put it in a bag or tupperware for the drive home and get it in your tank as quickly as you can.
 

lauraf

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because of ammonia We have been doing 20% water changes every other day for the past 3 weeks and i has not changed any thing the car journey is about 45 mins. the nitrite and nitrate are all ok and at normal levels. so what do you suppose i do rather than starting all over again.
thanks for your help
20% water changes aren't enough. Do at least 50% daily. What do you mean by 'normal levels' of nitrite and nitrate? Can you give the exact readings?
 

Purple

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If the fish are out there's no need to do a water change – but you are facing a few problems here

If you leave the tank with no fish and ammonia heavy water, at some point along will come the bacteria which convert the ammonia into nitrite. Then, you will have a tank with no ammonia in it – but it will be loaded with nitrite – and the ammonia eating bacteria will starve.

You can deal with this scenario by artificially adding ammonia by hand (from a bottle) – this is called a fishless cycle, but it can be tricky if you are unsure of what you are up to.

Before giving you the solutions to all this, you first need to understand where you went wrong.

Too many fish per gallon in an uncycled tank produces huge chemical spikes that are really hard to handle without changing so much water every day it gets crazy.

So – lets start again – but this time without overloading the tank.

You'll need to do a 90% water change, and put ONE fish back in the tank. Test regularily and change water to keep it under control, but the readings will be nice and easy to handle with the occasonal water change. This way that one fish will continue to provide a steady rate of ammonia into the tank which will keep all the relevant bacteria alive as the tank cycles.

You can use some gravel or dirty filter media from a friends cycled tank to hurry things along, but like I said – ONE fish only until this has all settled down and you have zero ammonia and nitrite showing, with a gentle rise in nitrate. Then you can re-introduce the rest of your fish (i'd suggest at no more than two fish a week so this doesn't kick off all over again)

Slowly – gently – patiently – or you'll be back to square one.

Other tips …... don't over feed the fish during a cycle, this just makes them produce even more ammonia. And make sure there's no uneaten food left lying around on the bottom which will do the same thing.

90% change – one fish – start again (and be patient) ….. you'll be fine
 

May 8, 2011
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I know what caused it we got some bad info from the lfs and we introduced to many fish to soon :(. the fish are being moved today i will let you guys know how it got on.
 

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It would be less stressful to use a dechlorinator that binds ammonia for a few days, with plenty of aeration, than netting and moving the fish. With that type of declorinator, you can handle ammonia AND nitrite spikes with no problems.

Just my 2cents.
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