Platy fry just disappear with no predators in the tank.

Kiara1125

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I don't stick the filter in my goldfish tank because I'm only putting RCS in here. I don't want to get all of this bb for it to just die. That's my only problem. I don't have room to stick it in my community tank, and I don't want to stick it in my fry tank cuz they're too small and will get sucked up the filter.

Fuzz, I'm using plants for the silent cycle along with the fry. I also used gravel and media from an established tank. When I say media I mean that I splashed it into the tank. I'll probably take out the fry (like I said I found all 8) and put in a cockatiel shrimp.
 

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Hello; The fact that some of the fry are alive after this amout of time in a good sign that the water is not toxic. I have had the experience of not seeing fish that swim near the top of the water.
The trick is to keep a balance between adding new fish, snails, shrimp and such and the size of the bacterial colonies that will consume the excesss ammonia they produce. My guess is that whatever happened to the missing fish had little, if anything, to do with the water quality. My experience with fry has been that many just do not make it very long and that a good number do not make it to a size where they can be released into a community tank. I mainly have raised egglayers and have seen up to near 50% loss or significant deformities by the time they reach maturity with several broods.
My understanding is that the beneficial bacteria (bb) will reach a population that is basically dependent on the amount of food (ammonia products) available. They can reproduce very quickly. One old thing that stuck in my memory from microbiology is that a bacterium could multiply under ideal conditions to a mass the size of the earth in 24 hours. Colonies are self limited by natural restricting circumstances to about a dime to quarter size. This seems to me to indicate that the populations can expand to new additions in a tank quickly.
Adding filter media loaded with bb a week or so ahead of the new fish should lead to a crash of the population of bb unless a food source is also added. I suppose this is fixed in a fishless cycle by adding the dead shrimp or pure liquid ammonia. It also seems to me that throwing objects (media ,substrate, ornaments, plants andother solid stuff) from an established into the new setup about the time of adding new fish should help as the objects will have the bb on their surfaces. I have gotten into the habit of adding plants and snails from an established tank and stocking the new setup somewhat slowly.
Again having live fry that survived to this point is a good sign. The missing may have jumped or are still hidden or something.
As a further point, so far every single pet fish that I have ever kept over 5+ decades has died. Some way too soon. Many within a year or so. A few have lasted for many years. I currently have some tiger barbs and zebras that are at least four years old right now. Two observations. One is that we, or our paid agents, take these fish from their natural habitats and put them into artifical and likely very much less suitable containers for our entertainment. I have moved over time to keeping only tank raised fish for the most part so as to contribute less to the wild fish trade slaughter that is going on. Even so any one who keeps fish in a tank for his/her pleasure is an enabeler to some degree.
Another is that many of my fish have lived much longer lives without hunger or predation that their wild cousins.
I am too selfish to give the hobby up for humanitiarian reasons. Overall, fish keeping has some unplesant aspects from poor quality fish stores, poor techniques of capture and transport on the comercial end, folks buying or raising feeder fish to the huge commercial practice of culling non-comercial results of inbreeding so as to present us interesting new varities. Most of us bungle our setups from time to time and cause the death of fish. It seems to me that we fishkeepers are all involved in this to some degree.
This forum might be better served by trying to help fellow fish keepers solve the problems they face, than taking a jab at them when some problem shows up. Each of us gets to keep our tanks whatever way we choose in the end.
 

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I don't stick the filter in my goldfish tank because I'm only putting RCS in here. I don't want to get all of this bb for it to just die.
The colony of bacteria will adjust to the amount of food available. If some of it dies, that will feed the others. It balances out rather quickly. I've never seen a tank 'crash' due to too much beneficial bacteria in the filter.

I'm using plants for the silent cycle
If you have plants growing for the 'silent cycle' then your tank IS cycled. Adding gravel, etc. from an established tank will help too. Can you test the water on the tank for ammonia, nitrite and nitrate? Red cherry shrimp are a very low bioload and just adding growing plants will be plenty.
 

Kiara1125

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I always learn a lot from you skjl, so I than you greatly.

OC, I can get a water test on monday then I'll immediately post it on here. I'm just wondering what I can put over my filter intake so the shrimp/shrimplets don't get sucked in. I'll post some pictures of my filter. Oh, and that's my Bichon Frise, Max, in the back. :D
 

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On my RCS's 10gal, I honestly didn't use a filter...just an air wand. So far, there doesn't seem to be an issue with it[the tank] BUT since you already have the filter, there's definitely no harm in using it. Something like this maybe? Aquarium Pre-filters: Aquarium Technology Inc Filter-Max Pre-Filter

Oh and BTW, glad you found your fry! They are cute little things! Even if they are:
[ninjas] :p

Speaking of ninjas, KcMopar, beat me too it. That's another option.
 

Kiara1125

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Lol kenny. I love ninjas. I did what you suggested and this is how my tank looks now. I have to pay $5 per shrimp, so I wanna make sure that my tank is cycled. I don't want them to die, but they should be fine since it's 3 small shrimp with small bioloads right??

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Kiara1125

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I'm glad, my dad got me a new filter and a 2.5 gallon tank for christmas. Tomorrow I'm going to petsmart and getting plants, more fish, and supplies. I think I might look into the kuhli loaches. But I'm gonna get 2 new goldfish and 3 more guppies. I'm getting Water Wisteria and Hornwort. So what do you think?? I'm getting a job over the summer so I can upgrade my tropical tanks. Can 3 kuhli loaches live in a 10g until then??

I'll put the kuhlis in my RCS tank and put more caves and the filter back in there. I put the filter in my goldfish tank, so it should be good.
 

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Yeah, just be careful about moving the shrimp too much...they like having more stable tanks then anything else. TBH, the biggest reason my RCS colony exploded was cuz I left them alone. lol They're unfortunately EXTREMELY sensitive when adapting to tanks[mini-cyles can definitely kill them quickly] otherwise they are pretty hardy[as much as a shrimp can be anyways].
 

Kiara1125

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Thanks, so should I keep them in the breeder net (in the main tank so they don't get eaten) so I can put my established filter in the tank and see how the kuhlis do. Are kuhlis hardy enough to handle that??