10 gallon stocking

misterking

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You've lost a LOT of fish. I'd bet money on it being down to lazy "cycling" and poor water conditions unforeseen due to a lack of testing. Just sayin'.

Why not just do this one properly for once and save yourself a lot of hassle/money? With the sheer amount of fish that have died in your tanks, you could have bought several test kits for the cost of buying those fish.
 

KcMopar

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Look at Option 1. Fishman says he might put in 3 corydoras catfish and 2 dalmatian mollies. From what I've heard, corydoras catfish and mollies both require a 15 GALLON tank minimum. But, since you've ignored that, I'm assuming 2 mollies are equivalent to 2 corydoras catfish, because we're talking about STOCKING here, and they both require the same tank size. So, 6 isn't a huge jump. Now, I personally do not believe corydoras catfish require a 15 gallon tank minimum. Additionally, Fishman apparently wants corydoras catfish for a 10 gallon aquarium (he mentioned them in both of his plans), so why not? I'm also assuming Fishman can only afford up to a 10 gallon. Furthermore, a school of 6 cories would be do-able if he kept up with water changes. I don't understand why a difference of 3 more fish would make a huge difference. The only reason why I recommended 6 cories was so they would be "happier" in a school, if that's what the OP wants, but if he doesn't really care, I don't see why any more than 3 and less or equal to 6 wouldn't work, especially if the only other inhabitant is a Betta. If the stocking issue is about swimming space, an aqueon 16 gallon bow front isn't that much wider than a 10 gallon; I use the 16 bow front as an example because I don't see ANY 15 gallon aquariums at any LFS's. Again, Fishman may only be able to afford a 10 gallon. Also, what TYPE of corydoras? What about the SMALL species like Corydoras hasbrosus or pygmaeus? If you think a tank bigger than 10 gallons is the minimum for cories, how would you know? Are you a corydoras catfish? Put it this way. Would you rather live with 5 others in a spacious tank, but it has NO plants or hiding places; basically it's just a bare tank, or would you rather live with others in a somewhat cramped tank, but it has many plants, hiding places, and a fine-grained substrate? Again, cost comes into play. 10 gallons is such a popular size because it can accommodate many more fish than smaller sizes, yet is small enough to only have to spend a small amount on supplies.
Why do you have to ask if I am Corydora???? Does this question need to be answered??? Where I would rather live is an appropriate size space for me and the number of my kind. These are schooling fish, I would not think its a good idea do to lack of room. I would not say anything under 30 Gallons would be correct for 6 Corydora. Just because you can do water changes to keep up with nutrient build up does not make it right. A group spacing of 6 Corydora is going to be about or bigger then a softball, could you imagine something the size of a softball moving around in a ten gallon tank??? Anyway, I read through this thread and it seems like most of this info is base on the advice of aqadvisor. The name says it all ADVISOR, not the be all end all of fish keeping. Sure its a good site to retrieve data and helpful info but, it does not replace common sense. Think of the space 6 Corydora would take up as they school and swim through a 10G tank, I am sure it would be at least the size of a softball. Also I mentioned normal conditions, casual conversations usually entail normal things not miniature or pygmy. If you mean abnormal you should have said that, you can't throw that back like you did. Sure I was blunt, I told you I was blunt, even maybe a little bit pushy. I don't want any fight or anything like that, I just asked for you to explain to me why 6 Corydora would be OK in a 10G tank. I didn't get any explanation, I got questions to things like where would I like to live and what species I am. An explanation is like the one I used to describe the room 6 Corydora take up while swimming around.
I think you are a great kid and I like the fact that you are into Fish and are making a good effort toward it, I know the effort it takes to raise pets. Also when you give advice it needs to be at the level of the one you are giving it to. I think Fishman1995 is a great kid to. We know he has been working hard to be successful in his fish keeping and he has had some bad luck with it. So MY advise to Fishman1995 would have been in the lines of about four non-schooling fish that are pretty hardy which would get to about 1.5 inch max. This way about 10%-20% weekly water changes would have been enough seeing that he does not have a test kit to be sure the water is Ok or not. I didn't mean to be so hard on you. I was just really looking for an explanation on why you thought this was good advice to Fishman1995. We need to give people advice that ensure all the possibilities of success.
 

Fishman1995

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I have a testkit, it just may not be as accurate as a liquid one, but at least i have one. And I intend to use my Bacteria Supplement, then test the water to see what the parameters are (Given an hour) and see what happens. If it works, thats what im using to cycle my tank. Im not doing a Female Sorority as its to risky and i have no backup tanks. Therefore, im wanting a "community tank". Im sure i can do some SMALL Tetra's with a centerpiece and a bottom dweller. Im going to work on Aqadvisor for a bit and find THREE of the best stocking things i like and will work best. This is my last tank i get to stock before going to college so id like to do it correctly. Thanks to all who put so much time in looking after me as i stock tanks. I love you guys :D
 

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I have a testkit, it just may not be as accurate as a liquid one, but at least i have one.
So, Robert...when you said:

"oh the reason was it said your inbox was full...thats right...my bad...i bought the Amonia, Nitrate and Nitrite liquid testers from my LFS."

you are not telling the truth. Either you DID or DID NOT buy the liquid test kit.

Which is it????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
 

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djm761

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Corys would be my last recommendation for Fishman or any one with a over stocked tank. these are the reasons

1. They are very sensitive to water and gravel conditions, they live on the bottom and like other fish they cant drift mid tank for long .

2. They love current, I have about 30 of them spread out in 3 tanks a 30G 45G and a 90G and when they are at rest they always lay with their heads into the strongest current.

3. If your tank gets sick for any reason corys are harder to treat, they don't like salt and don't tolerate medications well.

I agree with KcMopars statement (when you give advice it needs to be at the level of the one you are giving it to)
 

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djm761

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I want to address this question (Are you a corydoras catfish?) To the best of my knowledge KcMopar is not a real corydoras catfish, but if I understand correctly he has recently stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. I hope this clears up the confusion
 

Kiara1125

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Lol you guys. Fishman, I think that you would enjoy the Kuhlis. I have 3 Kuhlis in my 10 along with my male Marbled HM Betta. They get along great and there's not an issue with stocking. At first I thought it would be kinda bland, but after 3 days in their less crowed tank (compared to the store tank) they have gained confidence and they are now swimming around my whole tank. Go to Youtube and look up some of my videos (Kiara1125). I think you'll like them. Don't worry if you don't see your Kuhlis for a while though. They hide in the most peculiar places (got a video of that too, titled 'Why do Kuhlis do this??" XD)
 

Fishman1995

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Ive had 4 in my 5.5 gallon before sadly however, my uncle over fed the tank and they died. They we're very fun, but im scared i wont keep the water clean enough and they'l die again :( ( i cant stand it when my fish die) I picking up my tank, supplies and a Betta tommorow at Petsmart. Depending on there stock i may get a male or i may get a female, il keep them in the cup until the tank is ready for him/her. Il let everyone know what i got and do pictures when i get home. Im still thinking on getting my Betta, 3 ADF's and 4 Shrimp of some kind. Most likely ghosts since ive never found any other kind in any fish store sept them. Im also going to speak with my LFS and see if they can order some RCS from anywhere. They have a personal warehouse they order from. :)
 

Kiara1125

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Cool!! I'm pissed cuz I came home today and my male and female bettas were dead and I don't know why. I also had for dead guppies. I'm upset about my bettas cuz I paid $20 for my male marbled HM and I was really close to him and my female. It's strange because the night before he died I had a bad dream about him dying. It was like deja vu and my worst fears coming to life. :'(
 

Kiara1125

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First off, nothing changed from my normal routine.

Readings:
Ammonia- 0
Nitrite- 0
Nitrate- .25

Last water change was 3 days prior to this happening. Only bettas were affected. Very strange. My lfs manager thinks that it might be something in the water. They couldn't have been killed by another fish and this happened yesterday. They both died the same day and (I'm assuming) same time period. I don't count the guppies dying cuz they were new and they got sick a week prior. I'm currently treating 4 of mine cuz it spread quickly. Mouth and body fungus.
 

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Fishman1995

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I got my tank, set it up, used my bacteria supplement, got everything running, and then i added my new Male Crowntail betta, Alaric. He is Pink finned with a white body. His scales are highlighted around the edges with pink. He's a small boy, size of most Females, but he is a male. He has been staying in a log decoration sleeping most of the day today. He wakes up occasionally and goes to the top of the tank to get air, then goes back to the log to sleep lol. I had to move him to the tank last night because Petsmart doesnt change there cup water apparently cause there was 3 icky pellets in there. He's gotten healthier thou, he spent all night zipping through the tank, looking in plants and around his new tank. Il get my shrimp next in my stocking plan, il pick them up in 3 weeks (gives the tank plenty of time to get established) and then 2 weeks after that my ADF's perhaps. Im scared of them because im scared the shrimp pellets will clog them and they'l die and i definetly dont want that. Il upload pictures soon of my tank and maybe Alaric if he wakes up long enough :p