Clown Loach Question

[catfishmike]

madhippoz if youd like to know more about the meat industry and why you would be better of hunting and doing all your own buchering and the fact that meat production is irrsiponsible,consuming huge amounts of food that could be used to feed starving people feel free to pm me and i will explane more but i'm not going to bash you or flame or anything else.although in that same vein cows have got to be one of the dumbest creatures of all time.once i watched a video of a cow that would rather be burned alive than just walk through an open door to the farmer trying to rescue it.

 

[madhippoz]

I have no doubts it would be better meat wise for me to do my own hunting and butchering. Its like all craftsmanship issues, if you're doing it yourself for yourself the quality will be better (if you know what your doing). But I'm not going to hunt my own cows and butcher them myself, so I accept the less than perfect meat industry. I'm sure there is a lot of grain and other things consumed by the meat industry that could feed hungry people around the world. But there are many reasons, and people to blame for that particular problem. The goal is more to make those poor nations self sufficient in their food production. However that has been hampered since back in the 60's and 70's with wacko green peace and other organizations managing to get DDT banned on some still unclear and not objectively proven side effects on causing harm and possible death to types of birds. DDT would have gone a long way to helping those poor nations grow more of their own food, in harsher climates. And then more recently, wacko environmentalist groups have convinced some third world nations not to accept genetically modified foods from us, further exasperating the problem. The song "put up a parking lot" sums this wacko position perfectly. "Mr. Farmer, put away your DDT, I don't care about spots on my apples, just give me the birds and the bee's". Easy to say, when you've got lots of apples and other food to eat.

Anyway, off to PM with this, feel free to PM me your dissertation on the meat industry, I'm always up for some interesting reading.

 

[catfishmike]

madhippoz, if i find my books i can get into, a little more but i can't find them off hand so oh well.ya know i forget that your canadian anyways,you guys have much better things alot of times anyways,so you don't have to worry as much about those problems

 

[madhippoz]

Well I live in alberta specifically, so beef and cattle is of premium quality here. I don't deny there are less than ideal conditions in the meat industry if you look around. However, if everyone met specifications as they should you would have a consistent meat quality across the board, something that cannot be controlled by eating wild game. Again, practice does not always follow procedure admittedly. But from what I understand, most food used in the cattle industry is usually labelled as non-fit for human consumption, for the most part its agricultural waste, but rather than throwing it out, its used to quite efficient means in feeding livestock. In the end of the day, the amount of food consumed by the cattle industry is less than the amount of food produced by it. I'd have to go digging up info as well to support this. I'm sure both of us could find specific cases where this might not be the case. And it may differ in Canada from the US who knows, the overall picture might be harder to define.

As for my rant on DDT, I should clarify. I got ahead of myself. DDT was originally, and is now mostly used as an insecticide to kill mosquito's, mostly for the purpose of getting rid of malaria and yellow fever. It was swithched in the 40's and 50's to be used as a general pesticide, and was banned in the early 70's. There have been recent cases of people over-turning previous international mandates and allowing DDT to be used as an insecticide to kill moquito's, preventing outbreaks of Malaria in 3rd world countries. Protesters in the US got it banned upon issues with its agricultural use, therefore robbing 3rd world countries of its use as the most effective insecticide ever made to curb rampant Malaria outbreaks. The claims of it causing cancer, especially the claim of breast cancer is open to large portions of debate. It cannot be directly linked, but it is possible that it resides in fatty tissues of the body (ie. women's breasts) and over time might reach a dangerous level. However, most of the results showing tumors and cancer in mice in tests where given levels of approx. 10-34mg a day. The general intake by humans from foods pesticided with DDT were more like 0.0003mg or something crazy like that. And its not certain the same effects apply to humans.

Anyway, since this really isn't the place or thread for it I should probably shut my trap .