Filters?

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This is a huge issue with me. I have a 75 gallon aquairum that i want to set up within a few months, but i need a good filter. When i bought the whole tank it cmae with an undergravel filter and a bio-wheel filter penguin. But i want a canister filter so what kind would be good. Can u please tell me the exact name like if it has a number tell me. thank you!!
 

FrankDMann

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I hear you!

I have an 80 that is running two Penguin 330's. According to the company, it's overkill, but my fish seem happy, and I like having 4 biowheels turning.

I too, am looking into new filter options, mainly to reduce noise and get the ugly powerfilters off of the back.

I really like the Eheim 2126. They're a standard Eheim canister except they have built in heaters, so it eliminates something else with cords that needs to go in the tank. The downfall of that one is that it costs about $260 or so (from what I've seen).

Another option is to go with the VIA AQUA 750. It's rated for up to 100G I think. The "super fish store" site has them in stock for 74 dollars.

http://www.superfishstore.com/ViaAqua.htm

Another option, if you really like the eheim, is to get one off of ebay. A $160+ filter can usually be aquired for around 90 bucks, but with no media.

I think I'm going to design a wet/dry sump for my tank, though, because I think I can do it for the cost of a water pump plus about 20 bucks. That way, I can put in my co2 injector, heaters, etc....

There are a ton of options for a tank that size. Good luck with it!
 

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Yep....I've got the design almost perfected (well, almost perfected on paper anyways). I'm going to use an 18 gallon rubbermaid for the sump, and one of those 3 drawer storage thingys (the white ones by rubbermaid) to hold the media.

The top drawer wil have my foam, the second drawer will have the carbon, and the third (very big) drawer will have the bioballs. I'm contemplating using a series of biowheels instead of balls...not sure what I'm going to do yet depending on performance.

THat whole thing will sit inside the sump tank. The sump tank will contain my CO2 injectors, heater, and pump, which will shoot the water back to the tank.

I decided on drawers because I can easily access the carbon and the foam for clean/change purposes. Also, it kind of follows the same concept as some canisters I've seen, using gravity as a guide for waterflow. The only problem I think I'll have is noise reduction, but I've got some basic ideas for that as well.

I really like this idea for a bunch of reasons. First, I can get that big ugly heater out of my tank, and hide it but still heat the water. Also, I'll be able to take off the power filters, freeing up space for my homemade canopy, and third, I can use the warm sump water to insulate my homemade co2 bottles and make the yeast work faster.

The only disadvantage that I see right now is that I'll have the big ugly overspill contraption showing in the tank. I'm working on a design of all clear plastics and some camoflage to hid it a bit though. The second disadvantage is that it'll cost some money, but I SHOULD be able to do the filter and canopy for far less than a good canister will cost.

Once I start, I'll throw some pics up in the DIY section.
 

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Abercrombie this is an easy question. 75 gallon tank? Filstar XP3.

Excellent value for the money and it works great. I have an XP1.

A while ago I put my money where my mouth was and bet a guy in the states that if he did not love his Filstar xp3 I would buy it and pay for shipping no questions asked. A month later he said it was the best filter he ever bought.
 

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You should add another bio-wheel filter to the one you already have, such as an emperor 400. Why spend alot of money on cannisters when bio-wheel filters are better? I guess alot of people just dont understand the bio-wheel technology..... You really cant get a filter better than these.
 

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i wouldn't get another emperor 400 if i was faced with this choice.there are too many moving parts on an emperor to fail.
the penguin 330 is a much better power filter.
as far as canisters the via aqua sounds real nice as does the filstar models too.and don't forget you can always use a canister to power bio wheels if you want as well.have you read the product reveiw section?
 

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Bio-wheels are very simple to understand, however the damn things are noisy as hell. I ditched my penguin 330, way too loud for the tank in my living room. I went to a Fluval 304, no noise. Plus when I clean it the intake doesn't backflow in to my tank like the bio-wheels do. Good enough for me.
 

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i also dislike marineland filters....all of them:) . noisy, hard to prime, ugly black piping, expensive replacement bags, etc.

i like the aquaclears for the money. i also dont see how a bio-wheel can POSSIBLY match up to the biological filtration you get from 2 giant sponges (ac filters).

i think that the bio-wheels do work, but not as well as most people think.
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do you know www.bigalsonline.com ? they have about the cheapest stuff of all the online companies, so check them out.

for a 90 gallon? the eheims are GREAT canisters, but i personally dont use them. i like the easy maintenance you get with power filters. i use aquaclears on most tanks. on your 90 gallon, you could run an aquaclear 500 with 2 sponges for GREAT bio/mech filtration, then some other power filter if you like. on a 90 gallon i would use at least 2 filters though. HTH
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I don't know about big als, but another great fish store with tons and tons of different filters is http://www.superfishstore.com

They've got a very nice canister setup for $64, and have some prefab sumps starting at about $150.

Personally, I don't notice the sound in my penguin 330's unless the water level goes below the overspill lip. As long as the water is above that level, there is no noise. The motors are super quiet.
 

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Originally posted by Managuense


i also dont see how a bio-wheel can POSSIBLY match up to the biological filtration you get from 2 giant sponges (ac filters).



Air has about 200,000ppm of oxygen, while water only has about 7ppm. The thing that makes bio-wheels so great is because they get exposed to the oxygen rich air.
 

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i like my magnum 350pro, it came with two bio wheels (that are not noisy) but the penguin330 i have with two bio wheels is a little noisy when the water level drops a bit, i have them both on my 72gal and i like them

i like the black tubing cuz my background is black and i dont buy the marineland cartriges for the penguin, ijust cut the media off the original one and put whisper bags over it (way cheaper)

alot of people dont like these filters but i havent had any problems and they work fine for me...but then again ive never had anything "better" so maybe there are things i wouldnt notice

--liz:)
 

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Originally posted by GDH
Air has about 200,000ppm of oxygen, while water only has about 7ppm. The thing that makes bio-wheels so great is because they get exposed to the oxygen rich air.
yes, but the fact that the air HAS 200,000ppm oxygen is irrelevant. you will ONLY have as much bacteria as your filter has surface area.

do both filters work well for most tanks? you bet:) . since i also have planted tanks, i prefer to stay away from the bio-wheels.

aquaclears offer the better buy IMO.
M
 

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Originally posted by Managuense
yes, but the fact that the air HAS 200,000ppm oxygen is irrelevant. you will ONLY have as much bacteria as your filter has surface area.


Believe me, bio-wheels are much better than any other type of media for biofiltration. It is better than sponges, bioballs, etc. Another good thing about bio-wheels is that you dont have to worry about knocking out your biofilter while cleaning, because the wheel will be doing most of the work, and it should never be touched. An exception to this rule would be something like if you added a bio-wheel filter to a tank that already had another filter on it, then the wheel wouldnt have much bacteria on it yet. You are right though about them not being very good for planted tanks, they knock alot of the carbon dioxide out of the water.
 

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I honestly don't know what the complaint is about the Bio-Wheels. I have a 330 on my 30, a 170 on my 20L and even a 125 on my 10 in my bedroom. It isn't like they squeak or make somekind of bizarre humming noise. If your tank is properly filled, you can't even hear the water moving. I hadn't any idea that the impellers on my Top-Fins were so loud until I bought the Penguins ... damned quiet mechanism. And, as far as priming goes, other than pouring a small cup of water into it before turning it on, there isn't anything to it. While I'm at it, may I also suggest that when establishing your new tank, use Marineland's Bio-Spira. I've put up two new tanks using that stuff with magnificent success.

I don't have any affiliation with the company. I'm just damned impressed when a product works like it's supposed to. And, Marineland has done me right. Oh, and Bigalsonline is the absolute best. The shipping is a little slow (UPS ground), but well worth the wait.