LOL..yea not trying to be arguemenative just trying to get to the bottom of the problem before its to late for the remainder of the fish, and the pleco is a beautiful specimen, cant remember the specific name of it but it is very good looking and I really dont want to lose it, and those bumblebee cats where my faves in that tank even though i seldom saw them out and about. Its just so frustrating that there is really no good way to know what is happening when all the variables seem to be right.