Good job MK! After all this "fuss" lets hope some good comes from it. I am willing to bet that there are other people who read this forum who didn't know gold fish couldn't just be dumped anyplace and why. There are so many myths it is sometimes hard to sort things out. As a kid in Northern WI, my Dad told me goldfish were commonly found all over in ditches and small streams. I believed him for years, but I searched and never found any. I still don't know where gold fish natural habitat is, I just am relatively sure its not northern WI. lol
The origin of the modern domesticated goldfish (Carrasius auratus auratus as OC said) is somewhat debated and cloudy. Like domestic dogs (Canis lupus familiaris) which were bred into a new subspecies by humans from grey wolves (Canis lupus), a species of small river carp from south-east Asia (generally accepted to be the Prussian carp, Carrasius auratus gibelio) was domesticated and bred in China for food fish. Now and then the "gold" mutation, and the various colours we see today, would occur, and these were selectively bred, something to do with luck or imperial colours, I can't quite remember. It's been debated before that the true ancestors may indeed be the crucian carp, Carassius carassius, but this has since been proved incorrect (markings found on wild crucian carp are never found on goldfish, despite the similarities in build and size).
The story is very similar for koi - the common carp has the same ability in its genes to produce colour mutations and these have been selectively bred out, again originally in China, to produce the stunning array of colours and scale patterns commonly found today.
In short they're from south-east Asia, definitely not northern WI. I tend to waffle a bit about goldfish, done a fair bit of research on them in my time
On a side-note, I never mentioned "expert" in my post. Experience and expert are very much different, I do not consider myself an expert as I am, with just about everyone on this forum, still learning (I'm only 19 myself! I just had the luck of starting in the hobby very early). I also doubt this is the last we'll see of Fishman. We'll just probably get another new member come along who may not be who they say the are.. like "bettalover15" or whatever it was!
I find it a great shame that some people take things so to heart and opt to remain ignorant when they disagree with the constructive criticism offered by the various regulars on this forum, though this is now turning into a "boy who cried wolf" situation for me. I don't think anyone should feel they have to leave a forum but I also don't think our advice and criticism has been particularly harsh, I think it's been fair and concise. Unfortunately the more sensitive among us misconstrue this as harsh.
ANYWAY, enough of this, let's get back to what this thread is actually about - dream (but realistic!) tanks! *thumbsup2