Please help me sex these bolivians!

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I would say that you got a pair sweetpickels! If the rams are chasing the other one and the angels along with digging a pit, you got a pair. They may have layed some eggs,but the eggs were probably eaten. Give them a little time and you'll have some eggs. And congrats on the fry LWB and on the new pair sweetpickels!!
 

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I would say that you got a pair sweetpickels! If the rams are chasing the other one and the angels along with digging a pit, you got a pair. They may have layed some eggs,but the eggs were probably eaten. Give them a little time and you'll have some eggs. And congrats on the fry LWB and on the new pair sweetpickels!!
Well if they lay eggs, they will last a couple days at least before they get eaten. They won't get eaten right away. Usually my bolivians spawn, and then the eggs last 3-4 days and then they disappear. Either they move them to another location, or they ate them. You will definitely see eggs when they do spawn.

And yes, sounds like you do have a pair. When the eggs turn white, they are bad. When they are a light tan, they are good. And after day 2, you will be able to see 2 little eyes inside the egg, lol. They start hatching after day 4-5.
 

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Update...

Well, today there's only 2 left alive, the rest are dead. I don't understand why some peoplecan keep them alive and raise large quantities of fry and they don't stay alive in my tank. Water parameters are perfect, no ammonia or nitrite, as well as a bunch of java moss to absorb any form of ammonia or nitrite. It just baffles me. :(
 

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This could hold the key..... Nitrates?

The Cichlid Room Companion - Keeping and Breeding the Bolivian Ram, Microgeophagus altispinosa (Haseman, 1911)

Fry Development
The female moved the wrigglers by mouth into the depression that had been dug beside the spawning rock. The wrigglers were tended carefully by the female, for the 4-5 days it took for them to become free-swimming. The male continued to defend the spawning territory, checking on the brood frequently for several seconds at a time. For the brood care period, the yellowish body colour, the black eye stripe and the black lateral blotch of both the male and female, became very intense. The pair continued to feed during the spawning cycle, however, the female would not leave the brood for very long. The fry may be left with the adults, however, the numbers decrease quickly in a community aquarium, as the parents are not particularly efficient at defending the mobile fry. Also, the intake on any power filter should be covered with a sponge that does not restrict the water flow but, pre- vents the mobile fry from being sucked into the filter. To ensure some fry survival, I removed most of the fry, about 90%, soon after they became free-swimming. I placed them in a 40 liter (10 gal.) aquarium, with- out substrate, filtered with a mature sponge filter for the first week or so, then transferred them to a 120 liter (33 gal.) filtered with a sponge filter and a box filter with the lid removed (so it does not trap fry). I did, however, leave the pair in the community aquarium with a few fry to ensure pair bond stability, although, after several days, all those fry had been eaten by the other fish in the aquarium. Rearing the fry presents few problems. They can be started on live, newly hatched , with prepared foods added later as they grow. However, the fry seem sensitive to nitrates, which can cause mortality rates up to 100%. I lost the entire first brood to nitrate toxicity before realizing their sensitivity to it. To prevent further losses due to nitrate, I did a 30-50% water change every other day, combined with regular filter cleanings. This resulted in healthy, fast growing fry from the three subsequent broods the original pair produced. Another rather obvious precaution is to not crowd the fry excessively during the first few months. I used a 120 liter (33 gal.) aquarium for the 80-100 fry per spawn for the first three months or so, then moved them to a 90 cm, 160 liter (3 foot, 40 gal) aquarium to prevent crowding. After several months they begin to show the adult colour pattern, at which time they can be sold or traded to reduce density in the rearing aquarium. The young fish can usually be sexed at about 4 cm (1.6 inches) total length, around 5 months old.
 

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Glass bottom and sponge filter is all that's needed, as well as a heater. You can even use a powerhead for extra flow, to similate the parents fanning the eggs, and when they start hatching, then remove the powerhead so they don't end up swimming into the powerhead intake. And of you have some floating plants, you can use them to remove any possible ammonia from excess food you might put in, as it's hard to control exactly how much to feed such small babies, lol. Java moss works great for this, with a set of screw in florescents. All you need is the 10W bulbs, nothing more.
 

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You will know when the next spawning occurs, lol. Mine always do that, pack together. But then when it's time to spawn, the pair kicks the rest out of their area. Then, if the eggs are eaten or the fry is eaten, then they pack together again until the next spawning. And it will always be the same pair. The 3rd fish, the oddball, will never get a chance to spawn, as the pair is already formed, and the bond is usually permanent.

Good news, I now see maybe 5 or 6 babies still alive. :)

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Here's another helpful tip.... In the notes at the bottom of the page....
The Cichlid Room Companion - Rediscovering the German Blue Ram - Mikrogeopha...

*I always keep a handful of Jave Moss in all of my breeding tanks. The micro organisms aka Infusoria found in the Java moss make an excellent first meal for hungry small fish fry such as Ram fry.
 

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