Serious problem! need a decision!

Brobro

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Apr 7, 2003
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ok, my clown loaches got ich about 1 week ago, all the other fish are treated and have no sign of disease for about 1 week.

ive been using coppersafe every day, with no success, so the thing is, my clown loaches only come out like half the day, and the rest of the time, they are in the driftwood, where the medicine cant get to them.

they are getting much worst every day, and i cant seem to help them, what should i do? should i put them down? :( :confused: *thumbsdow
 

Brobro

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Apr 7, 2003
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ok, i will try that now....but not until 2night.


see, right now im home from school, sick. i barfed 3 times yesterday, and my stomach and head r killing me, i cant really go downstairs to my tanks, so ill post when i raise the temp.


any1 who thinks rasing the temp is a bad idea, say something.


thanks
 

catfishmike

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how bad is the ick?the most important part is to keep track of the ick and how fast it is spreading on the fish.also make sure the fish is eating,if it eats that will help the fish keep it's strenght.try using garlic extract to boost the treatment.i am a little skeptical about 90degrees as that does seem just a little high but thats just me.untill you get a few more suggestions stick with it.
 

Brobro

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they are eating, i think, im 99% sure.

at night i drop in like 5 pellets, and at mourning they are all gone, and ive been doing that all through the treatment, so they are eating.
 

FishQueen

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Oct 22, 2002
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i don't think 90 degrees is a good idea.... but definitely in the 80s... i'm sick too, but not as bad. Sorry bout that Brobro... i know it sux!
 

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Remember, the copper salts hurts the clown loaches as they are smooth skinned instead of scale skinned fish. I would keep at a underdosed amount of medicine.

I use Mela-Fix which is made by Aquarium Pharm. which is based on tea tree oil. It's a natural cure that's safe on smooth skinned fish. In fact there are medicine made for humans based on tea tree oil.

My experience is that whatever you do, don't go excessive. Never overdose on the medicine, and try not to keep changing the environment. I also agree that temperature should be raised to the mid 80's but not in the 90's.
 

AndyL

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Oct 22, 2002
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Ok, first and foremost; ich is often a symptom of poor water quality, and thusly stressed fishes. Secondly Clown loaches are _VERY_ prone to this problem. Thirdly Ich medications are a waste of money.

To do right now, temp up to 82degrees, you want a gradual rise in temperature, don't just crank up the thermostat, too quick a change, do it in increments.

2nd on todays todo list; Water parameters, Nitrate, Nitrite, and Ammonia please. Betcha either you have ammonia/nitrite levels or your nitrate is above 20ppm. Either way its not good.

3rd. 50% water change. Vacuum the gravel. Add 1tbsp of salt per gallon

Tomorow: bring temperature up to 86 degrees. 90 is pretty radical, and is detrimental to your biological filter. 86, no higher than 88.

2nd Water change, 50% vacuum gravel. add 2tbsp of salt per gallon.

Friday: waterchange 25% Vacuum gravel. 1tbsp of salt per gallon.

Then just let things be for the weekend. By tues/wed things should be looking a lot better; start doing some 10-25% water changes (no salt).

Now; for type of salt, freshwater aquarium salt is best, but you can use table salt in a pinch (for those who are going to argue; see AFM april 2003)

Then keep up weekly (10-25%) water changes and all should be good.

Just so you understand the process, The gradual raising of temperatures is to increase the metabolism of both the fish (help fight off the parasite) and the parasite (make it 'hatch' faster). The daily water changes/vacuuming is to pick up the parasites that have 'hatched' from your fish, and are freefloating or are in the substrate. The gradual addition of salt (up to 2tbsp/gallon) is to help reduce stress on the fish and makes your tank a less suitable environment for the parasite.

Andy
 

wayne

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Oct 22, 2002
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No salt. Clown loaches respond badly to salt, and most meds. I have no idea of what medications in america are any god at all. Try dosing their food with garlic, to encourage the ich to release from the fish. Else do what AndyL suggests
 

Wormo3188

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Well you could actualy try and do the water changes on your tank. Also, You can do water changes by taking 32.5 gallons of water out and send it down the drain, then just start dumping fresh water back in, the water in your town is perfectly fine, PH 7, so nothing to worry about.

I use Aquari-Sol on my tank, and it works pretty slowly, but it does the job as long as you raise the temp at the same time, It took my fish about a week or so of treatment as well as a few 50% water changes to get cleared up.
 

Brobro

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Apr 7, 2003
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sorry wormo, but aqua-sol wont work with clowns, it just would kill them, cause of the copper. thats why i HAVE to buy this really expensive medication that has MODIFIED copper in it, i hate wasting money!

:) lol