Store Responsibility?

May 28, 2003
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HA! Advice about cats / dogs from petstores?

Never, EVER buy a cat or dog from a petstore. My dog is from a registered breeder - dogs in petstores more often than not come from puppy mills, go to homes who have NO clue what to do with it, and end up in the SPCA. Cats, not so much, but there are often problems - illnesses etc... that cats come home from petstores with. One of mine was adopted from the SPCA and the other was a friend's barn cat's kitten. Anyone and their monkey can go and purchase anything they want from a petstore without any advice whatsoever. They have no screening process for people purchasing these animals. They're more concerned with the cheque you hand over or the credit card you're wielding than the welfare of the animals they place in these homes. This is a topic on which no one should ever get me started because I could go on for hours. If you have ever seen the pictures from inside a puppy mill you would understand. It breaks my heart everytime I go to the local animal shelter and see all the cats and dogs that people were too irresponsible to look after. Thousands of cats and dogs get put to sleep every year. I'm willing to bet $1000 that the majority of these animals were from the local pet store. People who are willing to put the time and effort into researching their animals before purchasing one never ever get one from a pet store. Just like those people who go and throw in a bunch of incompatible fish into their 10 gallon, and are surprised when one of them eats all the others, people go to pet stores, and it's usually the case that they get a big, agressive dog that they cannot handle when it's an adult because they have no idea how to train and treat a dog, and they throw it into the shelter because it doesn't behave properly - meanwhile, with a little WORK (yes WORK!!! GASP!) the dog, even though it may be a more agerssive breed, could actually be a perfectly nice family dog. Rottweilers are one - very cute as a puppy, but grows into a 150+ lb dog, and people buy them thinking they're all macho - and then proceed to treat the thing like it's a junkyard protector dog, and then get UPSET when after they've bullied it for years & it finally turns around and bites them, or worse, their kids. I've known plenty of beautiful rotties, who have WONDERFUL personalities, because the people who bought them knew what they were getting into and got the dog because the breed was right for them and their situation, not because they wanted to eb seen with a big dog. :p

Sorry for the rant. :) I'm passionate.

Fish are seen as 'expendable' because they don't cost that much and because they take more work than people think they should, so people who don't put the work into it think that fish are only meant to live three months. Ever told someone who's had an aquarium for a short time once and lost all their fish in six months that you have a fish that's two years old? See the look on their face? Do you get asked 'Wow how did you do that? Isn't that abnormal?' It's unfortunate. I can't get as attached to my fish as I do to my cat - they do, afterall, despite trying your best, sometimes get sick and die - but I get almost as attached, and all my friends laugh at me when I say 'My fish are happy today' or something. Heck, they're still lifeforms, no matter how quickly they die, and it's still a big responsibility to have to look after all the needs of another living creature. Pet stores don't drill that into their customer's heads enough.
 

prhelp

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Okay, I suppose I'm "controversial" here now, so why not continue that theme? ;)

Honestly, I was reading this thread, and everyone's points kept me changing my mind. However, I do agree that it is PRIMARILY the fish buyer's responsibility. The store's responsibility grows, of course, when it proactively begins to try to sell things that aren't right (eg, a heater with a goldfish bowl, encouraging three more balas in a 10 gallon, etc.). It's a fine line.

However, what led me to my conclusion is this: has anyone here ever bought a car? Did the car dealer or seller warn you about how to drive? No, they're not selling you a live animal -- but they're selling you the ability to wipe out a few human beings, if you haven't done your research and haven't been trained.

So -- if the fish store is even partially responsible for what they sell -- why aren't car dealers?

I'm not judging -- just using this as a point of comparison to help me mull things.
 

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but the government already has standards in place for people who drive. they have none for people who buy pets. you have to take your tests, pass them, and then you can drive - and presumably before you have that little plastic card in your wallet, you won't be going out and buying a car. and the dealership knows this, because that is the way the system works. what test do you have to pass before you get an animal? absofreakinlutely nothing.

edited to add - on top of that, a car is not a life that you are personally responsible for. you are responsible to use your car in the manner intended - as a mode of transportation, not a killing machine on wheels.
 

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kittyfyinc

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Near where I live we have a small LFS where I buy fish but they have few supplies. Then there is Walmart. I never buy fish there(they don't seem to care about the fish welfare there). i DO BUY FOOD,FILTERS AND CONVIENT REOCCURING SUPPLIES. (oops sorry about caps).
Then We have PetsMart in the city 45 miles away. Sometimes I buy fish there but usually supplies. PetsMart is ok if you speak with the right person. So it depends on my needs.
I do think some stores coud have a training meeting to help newbies.

I have different health concerns personally. When I found out about a great message board, (about.com) I started spreading the word to help others. Maybe we can let the LFS know about this website and others to help give correct information to newbies and in case an employee doesn't really want or care to give that information out to the emoloyees.
 

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Originally posted by Flex26

Has anyone bought a dog or cat from a petstore? What kind of advice does the petstore give when you buy a cat or dog? I am asking because I have never bought a cat or dog. I think this might help put this into perspective.
Nope, but since I run a rescue it would be silly of me to do so :)

Petsmart, to their credit, does not sell dogs or cats. They provide space in their store for local rescues to help place the companions.

If someone wants a companion from my rescue this is what happens:

1) They have to complete a 3 page application. This covers everything such as how many people in the household, ages, other pets, vet info, prior pet history, its very extensive.

2) I review the app. About 70% of the apps do not come back. I think thats a good test. If they can't spend 10 minutes filling out an application, how much time are they going to spend with the dog? Of the apps I do get back, about 50% are rejected. The number one reason: they want one dog which will be alone in the backyard for 10 hours a day while they are at work. Nope, don't think so.

3) If they pass the application process I travel to their home and do a home check.

4) If the home check is OK they then have to complete and sign the adoption contract. Its 2 pages and includes all the conditions they must abide by and gives me the ability to enter their property and remove the companion if they fail to do so.

5) After all the above is done I give them the complete history of the companion, fact sheet on the breed, feeding and care instructions (good food, bad food, etc..) and some training tips.

6) I leave their new companion with them.

Its not easy. I could place companions a lot faster if I was not so concerned that they get a great forever home.

Unlike pet shops, I am not in this to make a profit. Its impossible when I spend over $300 on vet bills for a companion then adopt it out for $100.

Thats why I am not in the pet shop business, my ethics and concern for the animals would break me.

Sorry for the long rant.
 

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Thats cool toomanystraydogs. Its a good process to go through to ensure that the animals get a good home. The only part I would disagree with is that part about leaving the dog alone in a yard all day while the owner is at work. Thats what happens with my dog...what matters is what they do with the dog when they ARE home. If dogs weren't ok staying alone most of the day...then the working population would just be SOL.

I'm definitely glad that the rescue I got my dog from went through their adoption process...and I'm thankful that they didn't mind that I work for a living :) Granted, they also knew that I wanted to spend time with him when I am home and on the weekends...and that I go home for lunch a lot...but he's still at home alone chasing squirrels in the backyard for most of the day, and I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing.