The Times they are a Changin'
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I personally would never even think of buying those fish and I don't think many other people who are serious about their aquariums would either. That neon green color they glow is an eyesore. Relaxing? I don't think so.
I believe in what my grandfather told me, "The more you can get your aquarium to look natural, the more beautiful it will be and you won't grow tired of it easily." That fish is the same as the brightly colored plants, gravel, etc. After a while, you get tired of the colors.
And as my signature says: The rule for my aquariums is, "The more natural, the better."
I believe in what my grandfather told me, "The more you can get your aquarium to look natural, the more beautiful it will be and you won't grow tired of it easily." That fish is the same as the brightly colored plants, gravel, etc. After a while, you get tired of the colors.
And as my signature says: The rule for my aquariums is, "The more natural, the better."
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"Animals are not for our use"
I just have to say something on this post, and I'm sure some of you won't like it, but hey, I'm entitled to my .02 just like everyone else. There was a post here about how "Animals are not for our use" Well lets think about this statement for a moment. Everyone here who has a fish tank, is guilty of this. We ALL use animals. Were fish really put on this earth to live in an "artificial environment" (no matter how natural your tank is) inside of a big plastic/glass box with a fake sun above them, and eating freeze dried processed foods/flakes??? NO!!! Having a fish tank isn't natural, I don't care how many real plants or this or that you put in there. The fact of the matter is, its still fake, its not nature. There are tons of things around us everyday that are genetically altered. I'm sure that orange juice you had for breakfast this morning was squeezed from a genetic hybrid of an orange, but you didn't think about that. These "glowfish" were created for a purpose, if they want to sell them, fine. And yes, I will get some, I like them, they are neat. Take breeding guppies for instance... wild guppies aren't what we have in our tanks, they are boring, colorless... not as vibrant as the selectively bred ones of today... THOSE are the fish people want in their tanks. *sigh* I suppose if there was some genetic cancer treatment out there that would save your life, you'd shun that too??
I just have to say something on this post, and I'm sure some of you won't like it, but hey, I'm entitled to my .02 just like everyone else. There was a post here about how "Animals are not for our use" Well lets think about this statement for a moment. Everyone here who has a fish tank, is guilty of this. We ALL use animals. Were fish really put on this earth to live in an "artificial environment" (no matter how natural your tank is) inside of a big plastic/glass box with a fake sun above them, and eating freeze dried processed foods/flakes??? NO!!! Having a fish tank isn't natural, I don't care how many real plants or this or that you put in there. The fact of the matter is, its still fake, its not nature. There are tons of things around us everyday that are genetically altered. I'm sure that orange juice you had for breakfast this morning was squeezed from a genetic hybrid of an orange, but you didn't think about that. These "glowfish" were created for a purpose, if they want to sell them, fine. And yes, I will get some, I like them, they are neat. Take breeding guppies for instance... wild guppies aren't what we have in our tanks, they are boring, colorless... not as vibrant as the selectively bred ones of today... THOSE are the fish people want in their tanks. *sigh* I suppose if there was some genetic cancer treatment out there that would save your life, you'd shun that too??
I just keep thinking about Jurrasic Park when i hear about this kind of stuff. Sure it's facinating that we can do this, but to me there are far more facinating things I can put in my tank than a fish that glows under a black light....
Now if we could somehow pressurize our tanks and house the deep sea fish that bioluminese (sp??) that would be something else
Now if we could somehow pressurize our tanks and house the deep sea fish that bioluminese (sp??) that would be something else
i am not for the glo fish at all, but i'm not to bothered about it existing. IMO these glow fish dont look all that nice, espiecally when they glow green cos it looks like they've been dipped in radioactive waste. I have no problem in other people going out and buying this fish, and personaly i wouldn't mind seeing a few my self, but these fish are not for, the natural are more my thing
I usually try to stay out of these arguments, but I must stress that I am adamantly against the manipulation of fish. I don't like hybrids, and I don't like fish that glow unnaturally. Way to go humans, we've created a hybrid because someone wanted to get their personal kicks from it or they had a brainfart.
Fish that detect radiation? Excuse me? Why don't you walk your happy *** into the radiation zone and we'll wait until your hair falls out to see if it's radioactive. Who cares if you can't have babies after that? I damn sure don't. Don't like my cold persona? Well I don't like the idea of you buying glowfish either. Maybe, just maybe glowfish truly served a purpose--just tell me what purpose they serve to the general public? Golly, I think I need to check for radiation in my bedroom! Someone's getting paid. While you chuckle over your fish you paid $5 each for, someone's chuckling over the money you gave them, and that's the bottom line.
Why don't we all stop worrying about the fish you're probably going to kill (in vain) because you didn't cycle your tank and worry about keeping natural fish alive?
Fish that detect radiation? Excuse me? Why don't you walk your happy *** into the radiation zone and we'll wait until your hair falls out to see if it's radioactive. Who cares if you can't have babies after that? I damn sure don't. Don't like my cold persona? Well I don't like the idea of you buying glowfish either. Maybe, just maybe glowfish truly served a purpose--just tell me what purpose they serve to the general public? Golly, I think I need to check for radiation in my bedroom! Someone's getting paid. While you chuckle over your fish you paid $5 each for, someone's chuckling over the money you gave them, and that's the bottom line.
Why don't we all stop worrying about the fish you're probably going to kill (in vain) because you didn't cycle your tank and worry about keeping natural fish alive?
These glowing fish are definitely better off than their dye injected counterparts who are (as I understand it) drenched in acid and those that survive injected to look 'pretty.' But I agree that any messed with fish does NOT look pretty on the basis that it is so unnatural.
Humans are frustrating, we will create new problems before fixing old ones as if they don't exist, simply ignoring them is a biggotry kind of attitude IMO.
It doesn't sound like these fish are painfully coloured (the article mentioned the embryonic stage) but I think it's terrible that they are and have to be sterilised. No one mentioned this but I think that is extremely cruel. Would you like to firstly be altered and then sterilised because of it? Nasty.
Haha I often think the same thing. If everyone just grew their own produce they'd have plenty to do each day, stay outta trouble, learn some decent values, and lose the anxieties associated with today's post modern society (ever hear of a depressed farmer?). They might even learn an appreciation for nature. I realise the paradox here in that I have a fishtank and that is not natural, but at least my fish are and like many others I try to make it as natural as possible. Something I like to keep in mind is cardinal tetras for example live 18 months in the wild but they can live up to 6+ years in an aquarium. Main reason is they don't starve.
Pairs of shorts, pairs of skirts, same thing; they both house a pair of legs right Purple?
Humans are frustrating, we will create new problems before fixing old ones as if they don't exist, simply ignoring them is a biggotry kind of attitude IMO.
It doesn't sound like these fish are painfully coloured (the article mentioned the embryonic stage) but I think it's terrible that they are and have to be sterilised. No one mentioned this but I think that is extremely cruel. Would you like to firstly be altered and then sterilised because of it? Nasty.
Haha I often think the same thing. If everyone just grew their own produce they'd have plenty to do each day, stay outta trouble, learn some decent values, and lose the anxieties associated with today's post modern society (ever hear of a depressed farmer?). They might even learn an appreciation for nature. I realise the paradox here in that I have a fishtank and that is not natural, but at least my fish are and like many others I try to make it as natural as possible. Something I like to keep in mind is cardinal tetras for example live 18 months in the wild but they can live up to 6+ years in an aquarium. Main reason is they don't starve.
Pairs of shorts, pairs of skirts, same thing; they both house a pair of legs right Purple?
Hmmm....maybe if I inject some radioactive particles into an iguana it will start to glow, or at least get it's spine to shimmer and light up.
Success it works!
Oh no it's growing!
Run for your lives it's GODZILLA!
Sometime nature will bite back if you screw with it too much, I fear we are getting close to the point of creating a Godzilla, and unfortunately it won't be a 100ft lizard you see coming but some little fish that destroys the eco system because someone thought there was a huge market for a miniture freshwater great white shark!
Success it works!
Oh no it's growing!
Run for your lives it's GODZILLA!
Sometime nature will bite back if you screw with it too much, I fear we are getting close to the point of creating a Godzilla, and unfortunately it won't be a 100ft lizard you see coming but some little fish that destroys the eco system because someone thought there was a huge market for a miniture freshwater great white shark!
Please....
Leopardess,
You are being narrow-minded.
You seem to miss a very large point or two: Man is a part of nature and his impact, for better or for worse, is natural.
Is man supposed to simply exist and not interact with the rest of the natural world? Should man have not built the railroads, thus destroying the lives of the American buffalo and devastating the indigenous people?
Should Jonas Salk have said, "The hell with this polio vaccine business; I would be interfering with nature, and we can't have that."
Know anyone alive today because of a pacemaker? What is this? Playing GOD? This person should have died long ago, "naturally."
The list of human "interference" with nature is vast. Some have been catastrophic, others have been tremendously beneficial to man and still others have been benign.
It seems likely that fish that have been made to glow fall into the last category.
Wolf Reinhold
Taipei, Taiwan
Home of the mad scientists who created the glowfishes....
Leopardess,
You are being narrow-minded.
You seem to miss a very large point or two: Man is a part of nature and his impact, for better or for worse, is natural.
Is man supposed to simply exist and not interact with the rest of the natural world? Should man have not built the railroads, thus destroying the lives of the American buffalo and devastating the indigenous people?
Should Jonas Salk have said, "The hell with this polio vaccine business; I would be interfering with nature, and we can't have that."
Know anyone alive today because of a pacemaker? What is this? Playing GOD? This person should have died long ago, "naturally."
The list of human "interference" with nature is vast. Some have been catastrophic, others have been tremendously beneficial to man and still others have been benign.
It seems likely that fish that have been made to glow fall into the last category.
Wolf Reinhold
Taipei, Taiwan
Home of the mad scientists who created the glowfishes....
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Agreed Wolf.
I can't imagine a glow in the dark fish lasting very long in nature if it was unwittingly released into the wild by some knucklehead...
The Wet Spot here in Portland sells these little wonders and they are near the top of my list after I find a job and get the cashflow up again. But with these guys, I'll need an impressive sized school to truly get the night-time effect I am looking for.
I also plan on catching a bunch of lightning bugs and putting them in a jar on top of the tank until they run out of air...
I can't imagine a glow in the dark fish lasting very long in nature if it was unwittingly released into the wild by some knucklehead...
The Wet Spot here in Portland sells these little wonders and they are near the top of my list after I find a job and get the cashflow up again. But with these guys, I'll need an impressive sized school to truly get the night-time effect I am looking for.
I also plan on catching a bunch of lightning bugs and putting them in a jar on top of the tank until they run out of air...
without stifling the discussion or saying I agree or disagree with anyone...I would like to point out that this is a discussion that fizzled out a year ago and leopardess is on her honeymoon right now so you're not going to get any response from her...as well as that wolf you're new to the forum and the only two posts you've made is here in this thread. NOT that thats a terrible thing...but it begs the question how you can come in here and immediately jump into a discussion where you saw that tempers flared up and expect people to immediately agree with you or get away with a personal statement about one of our longstanding members. Please just keep this in mind guys...I'd rather not have this whole thing start up again.