The Times they are a Changin'

[wolf_reinhold]

...but it begs the question how you can come in here ** and immediately jump into a discussion where you saw that tempers flared up and expect people to immediately agree with you or get away with a personal statement about one of our longstanding members.

Jesus...I have been a moderator before (www.forumosa.com) and can say that my comments were not against any rules.
What do you expect? I should start posting in the training section? Where is that, pray tell? Is there a "fawning over people with lots of posts" section I can begin in?
I apologize for not doing a complete search, but this particular link was sent to me by one of my editors for a starting place for the possibility of doing a story on the subject, as I live where they are created.
Whether the debate is stale or not, the fact remains that "playing God" or "changing nature" are issues that are easy to cover with a broad brush by those of limited understanding. My point was that altering fish in this manner is no less invasive than, say, than inventing a new insecticide.
I'm off to the posting wading pool now.....; )

Edit: Added this: ** You don't have to beg for the answer to your question; I'll tell you how I can do it: I happen to be intellegent and reply with consideration, not hysterical rantings, as Ms. L seems to be prone to.

 

[Fish Friend]

i agree with all of you.. dont like it when man lays around with nature.. one day someone will create sommat and well all be screwed

 

[wolf_reinhold]

Clown_Loach_Kid wrote:

I totally hate the idea of man messing with animals and making them glow just for their sick pleasure.

"Sick pleasure"? What on earth do you think people do in front of their aquariums while they look at glowing fish? Get a grip! (Guess you already are.... )

 

[LongTime]

You are being narrow-minded.
You seem to miss a very large point or two: Man is a part of nature and his impact, for better or for worse, is natural.
Wolf Reinhold
Taipei, Taiwan
Home of the mad scientists who created the glowfishes....

Fine. Because man is what he is, it is natural for man to do some amazingly destructive, benign or beneficial things. Big fish eat little fish. Man kills man. If left in an uncovered aquarium some fish will leap out of the tank and die. I do not think that was the original plan of the fish. I would go so far as to say that the fish probably, as much as its brain would allow, considered the leap good until it found itself flopping around on the floor.
The question is not if man should interfere with nature, but if the creation of these fish will be destructive, benign or beneficial in the end.
I cannot imagine them surviving long in the wild, but the fish that leaped out of the aquarium could not imagine flopping on the floor.
I am not for the hybridization of fish because
1. I feel the odds of having a most negative impact upon the planet increases with each hybridization
2. The subtle beauty of many natural species becomes less appreciated and therefore less valued
3. Selective breeding to enhance desired traits is not as risky, IMO, and can yield amazing results

While you have the right to post and while I can appreciate you being a moderator at another site, personal attacks upon someone’s intellect or subjecting him or her to ridicule does not contribute to the discussion, foster open dialogue nor is it the best way make your point.

EDIT:
http://www.myfishtank.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17839

 

[discus4everGrl]

I am not saying which I agree with. In a recent issue of Aquarium Fish Magazine, there was this very subject. A little known fact about the practice of coloring fish is that it has other affects. It may not have been specifically about these glo fish, but it was similiar, may have been painted glass fish. Anyways the process that changed their colors also stripped them of their slime coat. That would be like humans walking around without their top layer of skin. Even taking a shower would be very painful. In addition, these processes destroy their immune systems. It is common for these fish to be over priced but not last too long in the average aquarium.

I know people are going to continue to "research". However, as anyone who has ever majored in any type of science know, even people who do research on animals are subject to a code of ethics. That should include keeping these animals soley for reasearch and not for profit and minimizing their pain to as great a degree as possible. On a personal note, I don't see how they are studying human hearts using fish as we are like the only animal that has a four chamber heart.

 

[ram man]

i wouldnt buy them it would creep me out a bit at night time

 

[Zman16]

Your probably all going to hate me for this but I once had a bioengenered pet fish. But it was a bioengeinered zebra danio. I saw it at this website www.glofish.com I got from a pet store that was selling them a couple of miles away. He was expencive but very cool.

 

[longtyme68]

This is the first time I have seen either the first article about Taiwan's findings or Zman's website. Interesting from a scientific POV, but not from an aqautic lover as myself. I will read about, but probably never buy these fish. If I wanted something that would glow; I would simply buy white, yellow, or clear fish and apply the same black light to the tank. Seems more reasonable to me!

 

[Sandtiger]

I once did a thread/poll about Glo-Fish so that may be the one leopardess is talking about but I'm not sure. As for the fish, I'm actually O.K. with Glo-Fish. Before you all jump on me just let me say tha that I'm intrested in studying genetic mutations and bio-enginering is like a forced genetic mutation.
And leopardess, as my mother once said, I respect your opinion so why for the love of pete don't you respect mine?! ( or spikeykillefish's as the case may be.)