yea I am gonna try that. probably will move more into the back knowing BTA's
they are easy to get out of the bag, getting them off rocks is a different story, to get them out of the bag you gently peel away the foot, taking extra care to be gentle and not rip or tear the foot. Getting them off rocks is tough, I have used creditcards powerheads ect.... make sure not to buy them if they rip the foot trying to get it off when you ask for it.