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I prefer mysis over brine, but I also feed squid, clam, and krill. I just dont think the benifits of brine are any good, adult brine is rather un-nutritios, there also tends to be more water in brine shrimp which if feeding with it regularly can cause algae problems. not sure if this post made sense....slightly hung over....apologies all around
 

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Alright, well it seems to be a unanimouse decision on the food, Mysis all the way and some small marine pellets or flake.

The store should have mysis shrimp in the freezer, most lfs will so they should. I cant wait till next weekend, get me some clowns :)
 

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Well I noticed today that the brown algea that I was dealing with before I had my cleaners had come back. I had it last week for the first time, then I got my cleaners and it went away. SOme of my scarlet reefs have been killed from others I think, I have found their dead bodies (outside of their shells) I have also been green hair algea, So what I plan on doing is just doing a water change and clena all the hair off the sides and stuff, and move my powerheads because they keep making a whole in my sand the way they are positioned right now. Is it normal for the brown algea to come back this fast, does this mean i need more cleaners?

Im planning on getting my two clowns on saturday so I wanna get the tank all clean and ready before they get here so they dont have any more stress than already from cleaning a tank.
 

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i wouldn't add any fish until you get your algae under control; the added waste will just exacerbate the problem. did you provide your hermits with a few spare shells? if not, they may be killing each other for the shells
 

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yea when I got them i asked for a couple of extra shells I think they gave me two. When I go back ill ask for extra shells so that they stop killing each other, and maybe 2 mor elive ones to make up for the 3-4 i lost

the odd thing is that even though Ibe lost like 4 I dont see any empty shells sitting around, so even if they fought and one took anothers shell whered the old one go, maybe their getting burrie din the sand hmmmm

**also my water is kept at about 78 degrees, should I keep this or maybe drop it to like 77-76? could this be affecting my algea?


**or maybe its my light. I turn the light on at about 7 in the morning when Im getting ready for school. and it doesnt go off until about the earliest 6 (dpending on when I get home from tennis) it ussualy goes off at about 7 oclock. Is 12 hours of light too much should I lower it to keep the brown algea away. My coraline growth is doing great but the brown is starting to overpower it :confused:
 

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1979camaro

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12 hours isn't too much light and a temp drop below 78 is probably not going to help you any. all of this algae growth is part of new tank syndrome. are you sure it isn't that the hermits molted and you are finding their exoskeletons? the shells could have become buried
 

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I think your right on the molting. I didnt know the hermits molted, I thought they just grew out of their shells and then got new ones, never even thought of molting, but it explains alot, because I counted 7 scarlet hermits today, and I was like wtf???? but if their molting then that sounds accuate. I think some of my bumblebee snails or astrea snails have burried themselves, hard to find some of them sometimes.
 

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well im gonna get my two clowns tommorow, my algea problem has been clearing up (besides a little brown algea on the rocks). Im gonna test my params tommorow, and if their in line I will be off to purchase my first two saltwater fish, that will hopefully lead into more and many to come. Im going to post my params tommorow before I leave. I just got excited and had to post this, w000000000000000000000t
 

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Updated Tank Readings:

Ammonia 0 ppm
Nitrite: 0 ppm
Nitrate: 0ppm
pH: 8.2
salinity: 32
specific gravity: 1.024

Everything seems to be in order, so Im gonna go and get my two clown fish, and mysis shrimp!
 

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just a note--the whelks (bumblebee snails) aren't good for anything except stirring the substrate
the only time i've had my astreas go anywhere near the substrate was when they were dead--sand is fatal to them because they can't "walk" on it
 

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well I got back, got mysis shrimp, formula 1 pellets, and two clowns. The clowns are acclimating right now.

I have a quick question about feeding the mysis shrimp. They copme in cubes about 20 cubes indivudaly wraped. How often should I feed the two clowns mysis? Should I feed formula pellets daily and mysis like every like 3 days? Do i need to feed the mysis shrimp with the pellets daily or intimintently? Also when I do feed the cubes, should I put a entire cube into the tank or only a portion of it since I only have two clowns (until i get my basslet).

I will thaw the cubes in tank water in a cup then feed them it. Right now there in my outside freezer. The freezer doesnt need to be kept at a spe ial temp right, it can be like a normal house freezer.
 

1979camaro

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how often you feed frozen is up to you. i only feed frozen once or twice a week...flake and pellet the rest of the time. you definitely do not want to feed an entire cube. i would take a knife and slice off a sliver of the cube maybe 1/8in thick (assuming they are 1/2in by 1/2in cubes), that that in tank water, and then dump it in. the drawback to dumping everything in is that you get a lot of juice too...good for corals probably but bad for small tanks. some people use a very fine strainer or some cheesecloth to get rid of all the excess juice and just feed the meaty bits. i don't but i have a 55 with a lot of stuff and heavy skimming. keeping the cubes in a normal freezer is what i do...shouldn't be a problem.

oh yah, another thing...when you first introudce the clowns you may want to consider leaving the lights off for an hour or so at least...gives them a bit more security when they are getting used to their new home
 

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dbacksrat said:
you can pour the thawed mysis through a fine meshed brine shrimp net--that will get rid of the juice
good luck with the clowns--any names yet?

Well i was thinking Nemo, and Nemo Jr. Naw jk id probably have to kill myself if I did that. I havent really thought about naming them yet because Im use to haveing like 10 fish in one tank and not being able to name them and rember it, but this time it will only be 3 fish, and a skunk shrimp so names are definitely doable.

As for the mysis. What Ill do is cut the desired amount from the frozen cube, and get a small amount of tank water in a shot glass, thaw the shrimp in the shot glass, and then strain it in a really small net Ive had for a while to drain out the undesired juices.

Also now that I know keeping the mysis in a normal freezer is ok, heres another question :). Since I wont be using entire cubes of the shrimp each time, Ill put the rest of the cube back in its slot in the packaging (the packaging is like a pill package, you push it though a peice of foil and its out). But once its back in its slot ill put the tinfoil back over it to the best of my ability, and then put it in a ziplock bag to prevent freezer burn in a sense. It should be ok right even though its not entirely sealed in the foil?

http://www.aquatichouse.com/Fish Food_files/formula pellets.asp
^^that is the pellet food I got for the fish. This should be good for not only the clowns but the gramma. This is good food, but it smells HORRIBLE! HORRIBLE. The garlic makes it smell terrible, but Ill learn to deal with it.

Once I get my gramma (wont be for a little while maybe 2-3 weeks) will the Royal Gramma Basslet eat mysis shrimp, or will his diet be just from the pellets?

One final observation I need to add to this post is that the clowns havent moved since I put them in the tank. Liek their swimming up and down very happily together, but they stay in the front right corner of the tnak right by the galss, just swimming up and down. Its the exact position they were in when I put them in the tnak from their bag. Is this ok? I have the light off, Im gonna hold off on feading them until i Get a post to this, should I feed them the pellets and see if they go for it, or wait until they settle in and swim in the rock and such.

On the lighter note of just fun notes I added a black background to the tank, and it looks so much better. I never knew how much a black background helps especially in a Salt tank. And o yea, I think I got a male and a femal (ones deffintly darker than the other, does the color matter or is it just size?) I almost hope that their not a male and a female because I dont have the space for little clowns! O yea their 2 false percs. couldnt bring myself to pay like 60 bucks for the true ones, but the true had very nice colors, but I love my clowns already! *SUPERSMIL
 

1979camaro

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it should be fine to freeze it as you've described

food seems like it is of high quality...never seen it here before

the gramma should go for mysis as well

I wouldn't worry about the clowns' behavior. give them a little time and they will start swimming around. You could try feeding them but I am doubtful that they would go for the food yet. im going to point out that QT would have been a good idea just in case there is a problem, though I'm sure you know that

as far as their sex, clowns are hemaphroditic so no matter what you bought at the store one will become F and one will become M. The F will become larger. If they were to breed you probably wouldn't have to worry about fry surviving especially once you get the gramma
 

OCCFan023

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Well I through like 4-5 pellets in and right away they sank down and one clown went straight forward and ate, so I thugh a few more in and the other one quickley joined in. So they ate for the first time about 3 pellets each. It was real cool seeing them eat lol.

yea I probably should have setup a QT tank, but after I add my gramma and skunk it will be done. Hopefully everything goes well. When I get older and get a placeof my own, Ill make sure to have a QT tank. Ill keep ya posted on everything.

And about the male and female thing, Im gonan wake up one morening and theirs gonna be a million little nemos swimming around lol (gramma will be well fed though, although itd be cool to have some small clowns, lol) *twirlysmi
 

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OCCFan023

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well the clowns are still staying near the front right glass, but they have become a little more gutsy and have been swimming farther off for longer amounts of tiime. Ive already began taking pictures of them so hopefully by next weekend I will be able to post them.

Im thinking of putting in some mysis shrimp tonight and see what they do with it. See if they will take it yet, I think they should they ate last night from the pellets, so mysis shrimp they should eat quickly, but who knows. Ill feed them later and see what happens.